No worries you do what you do best and I will do the same.
I don't personally care about any ism other than Jesus ism.
The only religion I care about is the relational one with God through Christ alone.
If we can't point one to Christ then we have nothing but vanity in the end. He is the bridge that one must cross to enter into the promised land.
I learned early one with JW's knocking on my door to turn the conversation to Christ and not their questions. Its all about a relationship with Christ. No point in talking about the OT or any religion without Christ at the center. All religions acknowledge Him as a prophet of God. So He becomes my starting point and where my discussion focus one with any religious person.
Jesus diffuses islam and every other ism under the sun. Thats all I was saying. Talking about anything outside of Christ is futility since He is the only One capable of saving anyone from their sins. No Jesus, no happily ever after in the life to come.
If you dig deep enough into the Christian Liturgical sources of the Quran, that the Muslims mutilated into Quranic verses, you will find that it's Jesus who is addressed as the Uncreated Word of God, not the Quran itself as Muslims are dubbed into believing.
This is an excellent example of Western Textual Criticism done right.
If you dig deep enough into the Christian Liturgical sources of the Quran, that the Muslims mutilated into Quranic verses, you will find that it's Jesus who is addressed as the Uncreated Word of God, not the Quran itself as Muslims are dubbed into believing.
This is an excellent example of Western Textual Criticism done right.
THE BLASPHEMOUS TALMUD AND THE HEBREW ROOTS MOVEMENT/MESSIANIC JEWS/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS-PART 2
By Dr. Scott Johnson | September 9, 2007
The Blasphemous Talmud and the Hebrew Roots Movement/Messianic Jews/Christian Zionists-Part 2
9/9/2007
The blasphemous Talmud is declared by the religious Jews to be from God, totally binding and authoritative. Many supposed Christians who call themselves Messianic Jews, Hebrew Roots, Christian Zionists incorporate the Talmud into their religious practices. In fact I recently received an email from a Messianic Jew inviting me to a “Mikvah” for High Holidays which is described as a ritual cleansing/immersion in preparation for the Jewish High Holidays. She went onto to say: “The Talmud has a number of required criteria that a mikvah must adhere to in order to be kosher.”
Most Jewish & Messianic Rabbi’s consider the Talmud higher in authority than the Old Testament! There are two main Talmud’s, the Palestine Talmud and the second, the Babylonian Talmud. We will be looking at many direct quotes from the Talmud including: ‘Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than incest’. (Abodah Zarah 17a, p.85). ‘WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS’. (Sanhedrin 99a,p.668).
‘Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell’. (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b, pp.601-602, 680).
‘It is permitted to have sexual intercourse with a girl three years old and one day’ (Sanhedrin 55b,p.376). We will also be doing a Bible study to totally debunk the notion that a Christian has to adhere to Jewish traditions to be saved and/or to be right with the Lord Jesus Christ. Titus 1:14: ‘Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.’
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PDF: Hebrew Roots-Messanic Christian Zionism Warning
The Talmud was written in Hebrew between the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.
But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the “satanic verses” contained in the original Hebrew.
The “Satanic Verses” of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:
1) Jewish Supremacy.
2) Hatred Towards The “Goys” (Gentiles).
3) Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, & All Christians.
The Truth About The Talmud
Michael A. Hoffman II in his article titled “The Truth About The Talmud – A Documented Exposé Of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature” published in Rense.Com (http://www.rense.com) wrote the Talmud is Judaism’s holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): “My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament).”
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes’ Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
“The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way.”
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the “unchallenged leader” of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, “an entire generation” of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi’s authority: “Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars…Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud…He came to Yeshiva University’s Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud…He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud…sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud.” (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik’s knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law. The rabbi’s credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain’s Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are “devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else.”
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus’ time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud’s Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: “Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel’s intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money.”
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ’s lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord’s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread “Judeo-Christian” notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: “Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible…God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own…anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture.”
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: “The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive.” (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD: ZIONISTS, ZIONISM AND JUDAISM by Syarif Hidayat The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist,…
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Now you know where Muhammad get's his "religion from" @synergy
Thanks for all that information. That's one source. There are many other sources like Zoroastrianism but I would like to focus in on only the Christian sources. Not the fake ones like Jesus blowing on birds like a magician to give life to them. Only the true Christian sources like the Syro Aramaic Hymns and other possible Christian sources.
Actually, this op was 3 resources for answering Islam's claims.
Which means that the videos must first be watched before any discussion on the op can be had.
Thanks for all that information. That's one source. There are many other sources like Zoroastrianism but I would like to focus in on only the Christian sources. Not the fake ones like Jesus blowing on birds like a magician to give life to them. Only the true Christian sources like the Syro Aramaic Hymns and other possible Christian sources.
Actually, this op was 3 resources for answering Islam's claims.
Which means that the videos must first be watched before any discussion on the op can be had.
Jay Smith looks good at bringing together already known criticisms of Islam from others. Does he know enough Arab to go beyond what others have already discovered?
Actually, this op was 3 resources for answering Islam's claims.
Which means that the videos must first be watched before any discussion on the op can be had.
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trails lol.
