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[jeremiah1five]

Chosen for a task, not unconditionally chosen for salvation

The Law instructs those sacrifices be made for the sins of the children of Israel. The animal sacrifice foreshadowed the sacrifice the Son of God would undergo for the sins of the people of Israel. This was the whole purpose of the covenants God made with Abraham and his seed, a people later identified as the children of Israel.

19 And I have given the Levites as a gift to Aaron and to his sons from among the children of Israel, to do the service of the children of Israel in the tabernacle of the congregation, and to make an atonement for the children of Israel: that there be no plague among the children of Israel, when the children of Israel come nigh unto the sanctuary.
Nu 8:18–19.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. Ex 24:7–8.

This was done to the people. There was no choice in the matter. There was no "accept the sacrifice/Jesus into your heart." There was no "confess with your mouth and believe in your heart."

God purposefully and deliberately chose a people from among all the peoples of the earth to be special and above all other peoples in the earth.

34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses. Lev. 16:34.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deut. 7:5–9.

God knew the end of His promises. He knew end from the beginning because He ordained the end and the end is and always has been salvation is OF the Jews.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God hates sin but HE loves His all of mankind created in His Image.

The image of God is not man. The image of God is Christ. There is no better image of a Father than a Son:

...of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:13–15.

The image of God is Christ in "us," the new creation created in holiness and righteousness, NOT in the natural man which is from the earth, earthy.

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Eph 4:24.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5:17.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Cor. 15:47–49.

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, Heb 1:2–3.

God hates the sin AND the sinner (the person.)

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5.

"Workers" is a personal pronoun meaning 'the person.'

5 The LORD trieth the righteous:
But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalms 11:5.

"Wicked" and "him" are personal pronouns meaning 'the person.'

In order to SAVE the world from the penalty of sin God sent His Son = John 3:16

The word "world" is in context to the subject and the subject are "His people" (Jews.)
God so loved the world of Hebrews/Jews that He sent His Son in accordance with prophecy and Mosaic Covenant and the sacrifices made yearly and eternally for the sins of the children of Israel who are in covenant with God and to whom sacrifice was made.

ALL who the FATHER calls HE SAVES thru the BLOOD Atonement of His Son Yeshua HaMoshiach.

34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Lev. 16:33–34.

Nothing has changed. Christ fulfilled the Law and became HE whom the LORD would put in the inward parts of the people of the House of Israel as promised.

Joel 2:32 - And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.

The term "call upon the LORD" is a term that describes worship. And no man can worship the LORD unless they are first in covenant relationship with Him.

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest,
And causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts:
Psalm 65:4.

No man can approach God without the anointing. And the anointing is the Holy Spirit upon a child of God. These are the ones who can rightly "call upon the LORD."

 

[TomL]

The Law instructs those sacrifices be made for the sins of the children of Israel. The animal sacrifice foreshadowed the sacrifice the Son of God would undergo for the sins of the people of Israel. This was the whole purpose of the covenants God made with Abraham and his seed, a people later identified as the children of Israel.

19 And I have given the Levites as a gift to Aaron and to his sons from among the children of Israel, to do the service of the children of Israel in the tabernacle of the congregation, and to make an atonement for the children of Israel: that there be no plague among the children of Israel, when the children of Israel come nigh unto the sanctuary.
Nu 8:18–19.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. Ex 24:7–8.

This was done to the people. There was no choice in the matter. There was no "accept the sacrifice/Jesus into your heart." There was no "confess with your mouth and believe in your heart."

God purposefully and deliberately chose a people from among all the peoples of the earth to be special and above all other peoples in the earth.

34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses. Lev. 16:34.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deut. 7:5–9.

God knew the end of His promises. He knew end from the beginning because He ordained the end and the end is and always has been salvation is OF the Jews.

Nothing at all that you have posted even speaks of unconditional election regarding salvation

I noted

Israel was Chosen for a task, not unconditionally chosen for salvation

 

[jeremiah1five]

Nothing at all that you have posted even speaks of unconditional election regarding salvation

I noted

If you think salvation is of the Jews is anthropocentric then you don't understand the Salvation is of the Lord.
Of course, salvation that is of the Jews is unconditional. The salvation that is of the Jews is unconditional. There is nothing in the Jew that causes God's salvation of this people to be activated. Salvation doesn't rest upon the Jew but upon God and even this is conditional upon God, not the Jew.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deut. 7:5–9.

It is God that wills

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philippians 1:5–6.

God is the mover in salvation and Israel, or the people that will become Israel, the descendants of Jacob, are passive. There is nothing in the Jew that causes God to save. He saves because of who He is, not for any other reason:

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Ephesians 1:3–9.

Everything that is natural in salvation - and this is the salvation that is of the Jews - found its origin in spiritual purposes in God before He created heaven, earth, and man. It is a task placed upon Israel for no other reason than of who God is, and that is, His mercy which reaches a thousand generations.

8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
The word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Psalms 105:8.

15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant;
The word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
1 Chron. 16:15.

Now you know. It begins and ends with Him. He is the Alpha and Omega.

 

[TomL]

If you think salvation is of the Jews is anthropocentric then you don't understand the Salvation is of the Lord.
Of course, salvation that is of the Jews is unconditional. The salvation that is of the Jews is unconditional. There is nothing in the Jew that causes God's salvation of this people to be activated. Salvation doesn't rest upon the Jew but upon God and even this is conditional upon God, not the Jew.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deut. 7:5–9.

It is God that wills

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philippians 1:5–6.

God is the mover in salvation and Israel, or the people that will become Israel, the descendants of Jacob, are passive. There is nothing in the Jew that causes God to save. He saves because of who He is, not for any other reason:

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Ephesians 1:3–9.

Everything that is natural in salvation - and this is the salvation that is of the Jews - found its origin in spiritual purposes in God before He created heaven, earth, and man. It is a task placed upon Israel for no other reason than of who God is, and that is, His mercy which reaches a thousand generations.

8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
The word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Psalms 105:8.

15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant;
The word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
1 Chron. 16:15.

Now you know. It begins and ends with Him. He is the Alpha and Omega.

Sorry you still have not provided a single verse which states salvation is unconditional

Eph 1:4

concerns those in Christ - believers chosen to be made holy and blameless. There is no reference to men being unconditionally chosen to be saved

You quote your theology not scripture

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry you still have not provided a single verse which states salvation is unconditional

Eph 1:4

concerns those in Christ - believers chosen to be made holy and blameless. There is no reference to men being unconditionally chosen to be saved

You quote your theology not scripture

I'm not going to repeat myself. I have provided the Scripture of the Hebrews salvation being unconditional you just won't accepted what God said.
Everything in creation is the result of God, not man. And God's salvation of His people has only one condition and it rests upon God's will, not man's. You cannot get any more unconditional than that.

 

[DavidTree]

The image of God is not man. The image of God is Christ. There is no better image of a Father than a Son:

...of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:13–15.

The image of God is Christ in "us," the new creation created in holiness and righteousness, NOT in the natural man which is from the earth, earthy.

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Eph 4:24.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5:17.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Cor. 15:47–49.

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, Heb 1:2–3.

God hates the sin AND the sinner (the person.)

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5.

"Workers" is a personal pronoun meaning 'the person.'

5 The LORD trieth the righteous:
But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalms 11:5.

"Wicked" and "him" are personal pronouns meaning 'the person.'

The word "world" is in context to the subject and the subject are "His people" (Jews.)
God so loved the world of Hebrews/Jews that He sent His Son in accordance with prophecy and Mosaic Covenant and the sacrifices made yearly and eternally for the sins of the children of Israel who are in covenant with God and to whom sacrifice was made.

34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Lev. 16:33–34.

Nothing has changed. Christ fulfilled the Law and became HE whom the LORD would put in the inward parts of the people of the House of Israel as promised.

The term "call upon the LORD" is a term that describes worship. And no man can worship the LORD unless they are first in covenant relationship with Him.

4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest,
And causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts:
Psalm 65:4.

No man can approach God without the anointing. And the anointing is the Holy Spirit upon a child of God. These are the ones who can rightly "call upon the LORD."

Adjust your mind to follow and adhere to the Mind of Messiah.

Genesis 1:26 - Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[TomL]

I'm not going to repeat myself. I have provided the Scripture of the Hebrews salvation being unconditional you just won't accepted what God said.
Everything in creation is the result of God, not man. And God's salvation of His people has only one condition and it rests upon God's will, not man's. You cannot get any more unconditional than that.

No you did not

Nothing you stated affirmed unconditional election to salvation

You read your theology into scripture

Election is in Christ

and no one was in Christ before the foundation of the earth

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

 

[jeremiah1five]

Adjust your mind to follow and adhere to the Mind of Messiah.

Genesis 1:26 - Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 9:6 - Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I have the Mind of Christ. It's called the Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelations.
The Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelation (except Timothy) were written by a Jew or Jewish Christian to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. There is no Gentile Scripture. If there were it may reveal a Gentile covenant which there is none.

The image of God is Spirit not natural (Adam.) Make distinction between that which is heavenly and what is of the earth, earthy. God is not natural. God is Spirit and when He blew into the nostrils of Adam He animated him and placed in his loins the elect of God to be born at the appointed time and born-again at the appointed time.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No you did not

Nothing you stated affirmed unconditional election to salvation

You read your theology into scripture

Election is in Christ

and no one was in Christ before the foundation of the earth

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Romans 16:7 are Jewish Christians.

Ephesians was written to Jewish Christians but in 2:11-12 it appears Saul is speaking about uncircumcised, non-covenant, Roman, Barbarian, Scythian, or Greek Gentiles - not proselytes or God-Fearers.
And since Saul is talking about Christ it's a far reach to identify "covenants of promise" to mean any of the three covenants God made with Abraham and his seed. Saul would not contradict the Scripture and break it by saying Gentiles are in any of the covenants when the Scripture that cannot be broken records the Abrahamic Covenant was made with Abram the HEBREW and with his seed, a people later to be identified as the children of Israel (Mosaic) and the House of Israel (New Covenant.)

 

[TomL]

I have the Mind of Christ. It's called the Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelations.
The Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelation (except Timothy) were written by a Jew or Jewish Christian to and for other Jews and Jewish Christians. There is no Gentile Scripture. If there were it may reveal a Gentile covenant which there is none.

The image of God is Spirit not natural (Adam.) Make distinction between that which is heavenly and what is of the earth, earthy. God is not natural. God is Spirit and when He blew into the nostrils of Adam He animated him and placed in his loins the elect of God to be born at the appointed time and born-again at the appointed time.

Um Paul wrote timothy

And gentiles are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

Stop trying to separate what God put together or you will be found fighting God

 

[jeremiah1five]

Um Paul wrote timothy

And gentiles are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

Stop trying to separate what God put together or you will be found fighting God

Saul was a Pharisee. He was a rabbi. And Saul was an apostle to the Lord.
He would not contradict the Scripture.
Saul knew also that Scripture cannot be broken and based upon these truths it is your interpretation that is in error.

The Abrahamic Covenant was made between God and Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)
God promised Abraham that his seed would also be in the covenant with God and according to the bible that was a promise fulfilled with God. The promise went to Isaac and then to Jacob whom you know God changed his name to Israel.
While the Abrahamic Covenant was still alive and valid to the Hebrew people God delivered His covenant people from bondage in Egypt and entered another covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel named after the man that God used to deliver His people from their bondage. It was called the Mosaic Covenant and, in this covenant, God gave His Law to His people the Israelites. So, we have the Abrahamic Covenant made between God and Abram the Hebrew and with his seed and then comes the Mosaic Covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel. And the children of Israel are Hebrew not Gentile.
There are no Gentiles in any of the Hebrew Covenants.

Now we come to Saul. He knows Scripture cannot be broken and he knows better than to contradict the Scripture which is to contradict the LORD God. So, here is the Scripture of the Abrahamic Covenant. Notice there are no Gentiles in this covenant:

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.

As you can see this covenant is with Abram the Hebrew and his seed. It is also an 'everlasting covenant." And while the Hebrew descendants of Abraham was enjoying their covenant God made another covenant with the Hebrews delivered from Egypt. And there are no Gentiles in this covenant either.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Ex 19:4–6.

No Gentiles. And Saul knows this. He does not contradict the Scripture.

It is your interpretation that is in error. It is also the error of ALL Gentiles who believe as you do and call God a liar.
IF God wanted Gentiles in covenant with Him, He would have made mention at the time the covenants were being made but there is no mention of Gentiles (non-Hebrews) in His covenants. To God Gentiles are nothing, to Him they are vanity.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. Isaiah 40:17.

But here you are again contradicting the LORD and making them more than nothing into something. You definitely have your doctrine in many places in contradiction to the Lord. Pretty much this is called adding to His Words and there is Scripture to identify people that do that:

6 Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Prov. 30:6.

And not only is it my responsibility before God to call out error it is also my responsibility to uphold the truth of God. That is what I do here. Liars are people that give a false witness. And this is a sin before God.
Bring your doctrine and beliefs in line with Scripture and learn not to contradict the Lord but to say the same thing as God.

It's all about what is written and what is written is that nowhere in Scripture are there Gentiles in God's covenants with the Hebrew people also known and the children of Israel.

 

[TomL]

Saul was a Pharisee. He was a rabbi. And Saul was an apostle to the Lord.
He would not contradict the Scripture.
Saul knew also that Scripture cannot be broken and based upon these truths it is your interpretation that is in error.

The Abrahamic Covenant was made between God and Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)
God promised Abraham that his seed would also be in the covenant with God and according to the bible that was a promise fulfilled with God. The promise went to Isaac and then to Jacob whom you know God changed his name to Israel.
While the Abrahamic Covenant was still alive and valid to the Hebrew people God delivered His covenant people from bondage in Egypt and entered another covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel named after the man that God used to deliver His people from their bondage. It was called the Mosaic Covenant and, in this covenant, God gave His Law to His people the Israelites. So, we have the Abrahamic Covenant made between God and Abram the Hebrew and with his seed and then comes the Mosaic Covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel. And the children of Israel are Hebrew not Gentile.
There are no Gentiles in any of the Hebrew Covenants.

Now we come to Saul. He knows Scripture cannot be broken and he knows better than to contradict the Scripture which is to contradict the LORD God. So, here is the Scripture of the Abrahamic Covenant. Notice there are no Gentiles in this covenant:

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.

As you can see this covenant is with Abram the Hebrew and his seed. It is also an 'everlasting covenant." And while the Hebrew descendants of Abraham was enjoying their covenant God made another covenant with the Hebrews delivered from Egypt. And there are no Gentiles in this covenant either.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Ex 19:4–6.

No Gentiles. And Saul knows this. He does not contradict the Scripture.

It is your interpretation that is in error. It is also the error of ALL Gentiles who believe as you do and call God a liar.
IF God wanted Gentiles in covenant with Him, He would have made mention at the time the covenants were being made but there is no mention of Gentiles (non-Hebrews) in His covenants. To God Gentiles are nothing, to Him they are vanity.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity. Isaiah 40:17.

But here you are again contradicting the LORD and making them more than nothing into something. You definitely have your doctrine in many places in contradiction to the Lord. Pretty much this is called adding to His Words and there is Scripture to identify people that do that:

6 Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Prov. 30:6.

And not only is it my responsibility before God to call out error it is also my responsibility to uphold the truth of God. That is what I do here. Liars are people that give a false witness. And this is a sin before God.
Bring your doctrine and beliefs in line with Scripture and learn not to contradict the Lord but to say the same thing as God.

It's all about what is written and what is written is that nowhere in Scripture are there Gentiles in God's covenants with the Hebrew people also known and the children of Israel.

Still trying to separate what God put together and fighting against him

Um Paul wrote timothy

And gentiles are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

Stop trying to separate what God put together or you will be found fighting God

 

[jeremiah1five]

Still trying to separate what God put together and fighting against him

Um Paul wrote timothy

And gentiles are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

Stop trying to separate what God put together or you will be found fighting God

I am not separating anything. Saul is not contradicting the Lord, neither are there any new covenants in the New Testament. The New Covenant IS the only covenant in the New Testament, and it is founded upon Jesus Christ, not Saul.
God does not need a mediator next to His Son in which to institute another covenant on top of the covenant made with the House of Israel and Judah and God's very own Son. That reeks of Catholicism in which a high priest is needed on top of the Only High Priest Jesus Christ. And since there are no new covenants in which Gentiles are included except the New Covenant binding God and the House of Israel, then your new covenant with Gentiles lacks biblical support. All three salvation covenants are made between God and Israel through Abraham, Moses, and finally Christ. Any covenant will be supported by Scripture. The covenant has intent of covenant and the language of covenant such as the covenants that went before.

9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; Genesis 9:9.

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis15:17–18.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee; Genesis 17:6–7.

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44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Jn 8:43–45.

The Word of God.

 

[TomL]

I am not separating anything. Saul is not contradicting the Lord, neither are there any new covenants in the New Testament. The New Covenant IS the only covenant in the New Testament, and it is founded upon Jesus Christ, not Saul.
God does not need a mediator next to His Son in which to institute another covenant on top of the covenant made with the House of Israel and Judah and God's very own Son. That reeks of Catholicism in which a high priest is needed on top of the Only High Priest Jesus Christ. And since there are no new covenants in which Gentiles are included except the New Covenant binding God and the House of Israel, then your new covenant with Gentiles lacks biblical support. All three salvation covenants are made between God and Israel through Abraham, Moses, and finally Christ. Any covenant will be supported by Scripture. The covenant has intent of covenant and the language of covenant such as the covenants that went before.

9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; Genesis 9:9.

18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis15:17–18.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee; Genesis 17:6–7.

Your Ephesian passages lacks the intent of God for covenant and the language of covenant. You are adding to the bible like Adam and Eve and are found to be a liar.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

Thus, you are a liar.
And I'm done with liars.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Jn 8:43–45.

The Word of God.

Of course you are separating what God put together

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

BTW you are reported

 

[jeremiah1five]

Of course you are separating what God put together

Ephesians 2:11–19 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

BTW you are reported

Reported for what?
On my own thread?
So, you're a snitch. You like to turn in Christians.
Jesus warned us true believers about people like you.
Judas snitched out the Lord.
What's indicated?

 

[TomL]

Reported for what?
On my own thread?
So, you're a snitch. You like to turn in Christians.
Jesus warned us true believers about people like you.
Judas snitched out the Lord.
What's indicated?

Your words

Thus, you are a liar.
And I'm done with liars.

own them and be responsible

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your words


own them and be responsible

Jesus taught feed the sheep.
Rebuke the swine.
Shoot the wolves.

 

[TomL]

Jesus taught feed the sheep.
Rebuke the swine.
Shoot the wolves.

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You are rebuked

 

[Administrator]

We need to tone this down gentlemen. If you insist on continuing down this path the thread will be locked.