Nannette
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“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.” Romans 1:16The 'Holy Scripture' does not teach anyone "how" to become a disciple or "how" to "make disciples." It merely records there are disciples (in a teacher-learner relationship) and proceeds from there. There is no brochure or spreadsheet in Scripture that lists methodologies about how to become a disciple or making one. There are only narratives in Scripture that record many types of relationships among people (husband-wife, brother-sister, master-slave, king and subjects, etc.) that are raw in nature that we as Christians are instructed to study for our training and admonition. What we do is take the groups of these recorded relationships and through comparative study learn the intricacies of those relationships to see what worked and what didn't.
Statements like the one above must be understood in context of the covenant the Hebrew people had existed in with their God from Abraham to Jesus Christ. Although 'belief' in Israel's Savior is written of throughout Scripture, there is no requirement in any of their covenants that they "must believe" as requirement to be in covenant at all. Typically, God chooses out an individual and promises to do this and that and then proceeds in the course of time to fulfill His promises contained in said covenant. In the covenant promises God makes to Abraham and his offspring God only required circumcision of the flesh from Abraham and his offspring, which they did as required by God:
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 17:10–13.
In the Mosaic Covenant God promises many things and the only requirement from the children of Israel is their obedience:
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exodus 19:5–6.
In the New Covenant prophesied by the prophet Jeremiah, God through Jeremiah declares that He will forgive Israel's sins and He will remember them no more. While still under the Mosaic Covenant Jesus Christ comes to God's people, Christ teaches the people to remain obedience to the Mosaic Covenant and its Laws, and then God uses Jesus Christ as part of the Ceremonial Law to become the sacrificial lamb of God who dies a substitutional death in place of the animal sacrifice and for the children of Israel, which God places the sins of Israel upon Jesus Christ for the atonement of Israel. In all this the New Covenant instituted by Jesus Christ at His last Passover has been fulfilled by His life and deeds and eternal life is promised by God to those He has redeemed through covenant.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.
This is not a formula for salvation as salvation has already been given to the children of Israel by God resulting in the salvation of Abraham and his seed/offspring, a people identified as the children of Israel.
First, the children of Israel have already been forgiven and Saul's words in letter is written to a people who are already saved. In the original Greek the translation of Saul's statement doesn't say one must believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, but that Israel has already been saved and proof of this is the confession of the people that Jesus Christ is Lord, God raised Him from the dead, and their belief of all this happening is evidence of their salvation. It doesn't say "to believe," but that confessing Jesus Christ is the evidence they have been saved already by Jesus Christ at Calvary.
Baptism, as part of the Mosaic Law, are the ritual cleansings the high priest makes in preparation of his ministry to the people. Public confession is not necessary to a people who have already been atoned.
In Peter's sermon to the twelve tribes present in Jerusalem who are there for the Feast of Harvest, the people that assisted in Jesus' crucifixion and who have denied Jesus before Pilate must now repent (change their mind) and confess Jesus Christ to the glory of God His Father. This is why it is done "In the Name of Jesus Christ."
Again, the context is the children of Israel as they are already in covenant and that this covenant is eternal and everlasting.
Under the Law the people knew how to worship God.
This is the result of a new and regenerated people.
With the Holy Spirit of Promise dwelling within people their love for what God has done in redeeming the seed of Abraham and making everything they do come alive.
In Leviticus God teaches the children of Israel who to love and how to love. It is to be shared among brethren ONLY. God never taught the people to love anyone other than their own neighbors and kin.
No one can be discipled in the things of God unless they are first born-again, and also that they are willing to be taught.
It is impossible for sheep to teach goats how to be sheep. Whether it is you or this "Boyd" fella, you and he have never truly been discipled in the things of God, angels, and man. Mostly all the passages you post have not been correctly understood, and your misinterpretations are seen. Have you ever met Professor Jacob Arminius? Probably not, but it appears you are taking his teachings and the teachings of the Remonstrants and have posted them here.
Each doctrine within the Christian faith must be held in a balance. We are in great danger of error whenever we overemphasize the importance of one truth to the demise or neglect of others.
But, it is impossible to overstate or overemphasize the preeminence of the gospel. We cannot become too extreme with the gospel. This truth is seen in the fact that the gospel is the greatest revelation of God to man, and it is the only message by which men might be saved.
So we see that it is also the one message we must hold onto tenaciously. Although even the most minor departure from biblical truth is dangerous, we may misunderstand many things without putting our eternal destinies in jeopardy. However, to be wrong about the gospel is to be wrong about everything!
Not giving the gospel preeminence is to misunderstand it altogether!