Great Grace Departure!

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Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great Grace Departure!:

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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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Time Of Jacob’s { Israel's } Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Prophesied Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under law / covenants,
gospel of the kingdom ( 'Rightly Divided' link #11 )
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!" { online 'link' }:

Great Grace Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of Christ,
Ending God’s Age Of Grace, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel
Of The Grace Of God ( 'Rightly Divided' link #11 )
{ Current = “But Now!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, Ephesians 3:5-9)

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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, Christ, In His Prophesied
Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords, Is Coming​

(2) Christ Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)​

(3) Christ Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)​

(4) Christ Is Coming To earth With One army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…​

(5) With Another trumpet (After "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are Sent, By The KING, To: “gather the elect”...​

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The KING!

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the Unrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!​

To be continued...
 
Part II

(Previously) The Second Coming, According to earthly Prophecy:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!" { online 'link' }:

The Great Grace Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After This Current 'Dispensation Of Grace' Has Ended / Zero signs!:
​
Christ, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven!​

(2) Christ Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The [ Last ] Grace Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16)​
Note: The First Grace Trump (Voice) Of God Was In Acts 9:4)​

(3) God (Jesus Christ) Will Bring With Him {those [ souls ] who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In Jesus!”​

(4) Christ Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” { which​
Is A Mystery! }, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”​
together to meet The Lord in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”​

(5) Christ “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...

(6)...For The Judgment Seat Of Christ, For His Heavenly Body, By The
Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6 Romans 2:16, Romans 14:10-12;​

(7a) ...After Judgment, the Grace assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To Christ Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27)​

(7b) ...And, Then Christ Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,​
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!​

* Note, The One army Of The Body Of Christ, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Precious friends:

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

See you In God's Great GloryLand! ♫ 😇 ↑
 
civic said:
I really like the way you lay out your threads with references and links. The format is great and so is the content. Thanks !
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Precious friend, @civic, appreciate all of your wonderful encouragement. But:

Maybe, possibly, you could enlighten me as to 'why the critics insist' that the​
impossible "show them Only ONE verse (theology)" be shown Unto them so​
that they will believe ( or will they? ) that the Pre-trib rapture is in fact Scriptural.​
​
Did I waste my time "studying (2 Timothy 2:15) and comparing (1 Corinthians 2:13 AV)"
All Of The above [~~ 100 ] Scriptures in order to form my own conclusion in this
rather Important (or is it?) Matter in preparation for my judgement?

Just wondering and praying about this...

cc: @TomL
 
Grace ambassador said:
Precious friend, @civic, appreciate all of your wonderful encouragement. But:

Maybe, possibly, you could enlighten me as to 'why the critics insist' that the​
impossible "show them Only ONE verse (theology)" be shown Unto them so​
that they will believe ( or will they? ) that the Pre-trib rapture is in fact Scriptural.​
​
Did I waste my time "studying (2 Timothy 2:15) and comparing (1 Corinthians 2:13 AV)"
All Of The above [~~ 100 ] Scriptures in order to form my own conclusion in this
rather Important (or is it?) Matter in preparation for my judgement?

Just wondering and praying about this...

cc: @TomL
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Quite simply the pre-trib rapture is not true because the only verse speaking of it

1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 (KJV 1900) — 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Places it at the coming of Christ and the resurrection of the dead in a not so secret event where ther is no mention of tribulation

and the only verse which speaks of the great tribulation has the elect going through it

Matthew 24:21–22 (KJV 1900) — 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
 
Precious friends, since the vehement criticisms of God's Great Grace Departure are not slowing one whit,
This may be helpful - please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified:

Pre-Trib Benefits! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . post-trib 'benefits'?

Comforting Words for "children of Light", About . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Woe to those who Desire The [ earthly ]
The [ Heavenly LIGHT ] Day Of Christ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Day Of Darkness" (Amos 5:18 AV)
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Philippians 1:6, 10-11; 2:16
2 Thessalonians 2:2 AV)
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Looking, [ patiently ] waiting, and watching For . . . . . . . . . . looking, [ patiently ? ] waiting, and watching for
The Great God And Saviour, The HOLY One . . . . . . . . . . . the [ WICKED one ] man of sin, son of Perdition,
The LORD Jesus Christ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Great Tribulation and martyrdom ( comforting ? )​
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23;
Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18;
Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13 AV)

And, still praying. Amen.

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How about studying the scripture and NOT dispensationalism? It's actually quite easy. Just read the Bible without interpreting it through a man-made doctrine. Pick up your Bible. Put down the propaganda, the origin of which began with John Nelson Darby in the early 1800's.
 
dwight92070 said:
How about studying the scripture and NOT dispensationalism? It's actually quite easy. Just read the Bible without interpreting it through a man-made doctrine. Pick up your Bible. Put down the propaganda, the origin of which began with John Nelson Darby in the early 1800's.
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That is true. Dispensational pre-millennialism is a recent invention which started by a girl who had a vision
 
I believe firmly in my heart that we will not have to endure the monstrous horrors of the Tribulation. The view that I believe in is the pretribulationism view. That the Church will be out of here before the Tribulation.

The promise that our Lord could appear at any moment to take His church up to His Father’s house was delivered by the Lord Himself. Details of that rapture were supplied by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Recent assaults on the pre-Tribulation rapture view have left many Christians confused and in some cases disillusioned. Some have even abandoned this blessed hope, discarding their belief that the Lord could return at any moment. Why do they give up such a reassuring and biblical hope? It’s because many of these attacks at first sight do seem plausible—but further examination reveals their profound bankruptcy.

I would suggest digging deeper and get a firm grasp on eschatology, it is a great study.
 
Richard said:
I believe firmly in my heart that we will not have to endure the monstrous horrors of the Tribulation. The view that I believe in is the pretribulationism view. That the Church will be out of here before the Tribulation.

The promise that our Lord could appear at any moment to take His church up to His Father’s house was delivered by the Lord Himself. Details of that rapture were supplied by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18:

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Recent assaults on the pre-Tribulation rapture view have left many Christians confused and in some cases disillusioned. Some have even abandoned this blessed hope, discarding their belief that the Lord could return at any moment. Why do they give up such a reassuring and biblical hope? It’s because many of these attacks at first sight do seem plausible—but further examination reveals their profound bankruptcy.

I would suggest digging deeper and get a firm grasp on eschatology, it is a great study.
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Any reading of life in the First Century Church will reveal that the GREAT TRIBULATION came and was shortened. The next closest event to the First Century was the Nazi Holocaust (and that was not against Christians). The Church still suffers TRIBULATION because the WORLD still hates God (and we are His children, so it hates us, too).

The RAPTURE is still "yet to come" and Jesus could return "at any moment" [only gathering in the last of His bride delays his return]. So we have every reason to be both hopeful and expectant, and to labor to spread the good news as far and fast as possible to hasted His return.

However, there is no TROUBLE coming that can or will separate us from HIS LOVE. He already carried His Bride through the Great Tribulation, so he will not falter through our petty tribulations. Have courage and trust in Him to finish what He has started.
 
atpollard said:
Any reading of life in the First Century Church will reveal that the GREAT TRIBULATION came and was shortened. The next closest event to the First Century was the Nazi Holocaust (and that was not against Christians). The Church still suffers TRIBULATION because the WORLD still hates God (and we are His children, so it hates us, too).

The RAPTURE is still "yet to come" and Jesus could return "at any moment" [only gathering in the last of His bride delays his return]. So we have every reason to be both hopeful and expectant, and to labor to spread the good news as far and fast as possible to hasted His return.

However, there is no TROUBLE coming that can or will separate us from HIS LOVE. He already carried His Bride through the Great Tribulation, so he will not falter through our petty tribulations. Have courage and trust in Him to finish what He has started.
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Well yes and no. The tribulation is a future seven-year period when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, comprised of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, will not be present during the tribulation.
 
Richard said:
Well yes and no. The tribulation is a future seven-year period when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, comprised of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, will not be present during the tribulation.
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When we are both raptured (probably raised from the dead before those that are still alive, but who knows), I will give you a “told you so” before God corrects my last human flaws. ;)
 
Grace ambassador said:
Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great Grace Departure!:

----------------------------------------------------------------------

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Time Of Jacob’s { Israel's } Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The
Prophesied Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under law / covenants,
gospel of the kingdom ( 'Rightly Divided' link #11 )
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!" { online 'link' }:

Great Grace Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of Christ,
Ending God’s Age Of Grace, Is Found In God's Other Context:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel
Of The Grace Of God ( 'Rightly Divided' link #11 )
{ Current = “But Now!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, Ephesians 3:5-9)

-------------------

The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, Christ, In His Prophesied
Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords, Is Coming​

(2) Christ Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)​

(3) Christ Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)​

(4) Christ Is Coming To earth With One army *, “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…​

(5) With Another trumpet (After "the 7th angel trumpet” in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are Sent, By The KING, To: “gather the elect”...​

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The KING!

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the Unrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!​

To be continued...
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Where are the pre-trib rapture scriptures???

1 Thessalonians is post-trib
Matt ch24 is post-trib
1 Corinthians ch15 is post-trib
Luke = Days of Noah is post-trib
2 Thessalonians is post-trib
The LORD Jesus Christ is Post-Trib

These are all Post-Trib followed by Pre-Wrath Salvation
 
atpollard said:
When we are both raptured (probably raised from the dead before those that are still alive, but who knows), I will give you a “told you so” before God corrects my last human flaws. ;)
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If you are left behind at the pre-turbulation rapture I'll remind you of that when get there. :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for the laugh, it's good for us.
 
DavidTree said:
Where are the pre-trib rapture scriptures???

1 Thessalonians is post-trib
Matt ch24 is post-trib
1 Corinthians ch15 is post-trib
Luke = Days of Noah is post-trib
2 Thessalonians is post-trib
The LORD Jesus Christ is Post-Trib

These are all Post-Trib followed by Pre-Wrath Salvation
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I sure you know a few. Like the one that's always used.
 

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