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[Tothalordbeallglory]

There are no 'pre-trib' rapture verses in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 = 2nd Coming and Resurrection BEFORE rapture

There are no 'pre-trib' rapture verses in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 = 2nd Coming and Resurrection BEFORE rapture

All of Scripture speaks of only TWO "Advents/Comings" of the LORD.
God spelled this out in Genesis, in the OT Prophets, in the Gospel, in Acts, in the Apostles writings, in Hebrews, in Revelation.

Follow the Commandments of the LORD Jesus Christ found in the Scriptures and reminded in post #18

"Believe the Truth and the Truth will set you FREE"

TWO indeed my friend . He came once long ago to fullfill and to finish the works
And HE shall come the second time WITHOUT SIN unto salvation .
That second one will be for His peoples and to lay down wrath against the ungodly ,
those who worshipped the beast , loved a lie , and had made war against HIM and the saints .
There are many spirits at work now through men
and these spirits do the work of that which is of anti christ the mystery of inquity
which has been at work . The hour of this work is peaking and is leading
the deceived within christendom to merge with the deceived of the world
THIS people has become one and all speak one love , and that love is of the world
and yet the many beleive it is of GOD . Perlious times are at hand
and the summation of all the early church and CHRIST , the prophets and all
had warned would peak in this last hour . ITS peaking and will get worse fast .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Hello @Richard

Out of the scriptures i listed which one is the MOST CLEAR pre-trib rapture passage?

Thank You Richard

and try asking him what this common one he speaks of is my friend .
cause if its the one i hear commonly , THEY TWISTED THIS BIG TIME .
even paul was caught up . i seen them use that Caught up as an example
of meaning the church was raptured before What GOD SHOWED JOHN was to come .
BOY , oh boy do they got this dead wrong . IT in no way proves what they try and make it say .
ALL it proves is
JOHN was called up and SEEN THE DAY OF THE LORD .
rather odd i sure seem to see
in this revelation it makes mention of this beast and this false prophet
this mark and etc
AND IT SURE DO SAY the beast COMETH against , drum roll , THE SAINTS .
but again they try and say OH that is the TRIBULATION saints .
TO which i say
WE ARE APPOINTED unto tribulation . MANY have died and bled . MANY
but i guess this last generation of theirs is WAY TOO GOOD for all of that .
THESE folks have been deceived badly . but many DO love thier LIFE in this world
and want to hear ONLY my best life now and how they wont have to suffer tribulation FOR HIS NAME sake .
Not looking good david . not at all .

 

[Rowan]

Key verses that support the pre-tribulation rapture include 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which describes believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and Revelation 3:10, where Jesus promises to keep believers from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world. Other relevant passages include Matthew 24 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, which also discuss the resurrection and transformation of believers.

What Does the Bible Say About Pre Tribulation Rapture?

Bible verses about Pre Tribulation Rapture

www.openbible.info

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Key verses that support the pre-tribulation rapture include 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which describes believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and Revelation 3:10, where Jesus promises to keep believers from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world. Other relevant passages include Matthew 24 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, which also discuss the resurrection and transformation of believers.

What Does the Bible Say About Pre Tribulation Rapture?

Bible verses about Pre Tribulation Rapture

www.openbible.info

nope . try again . ALL it proves is THERE IS A RAPTURE . not a pre trib one .
Try again . In the mean time try reading the scrips soley for yourself without the influence
of any trib . see what happens . ps take a peek at second thess and you see first hand
THIS ONE TIME EVENT for yourself .

 

[Tranquil]

One of the most amazing aspects of the mystery revealed in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is the promise that the church of Jesus Christ will not pass through the Tribulation. That is one reason why the Bible calls the Rapture “the blessed hope” Titus 2:13

 

[Rowan]

One of the most amazing aspects of the mystery revealed in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is the promise that the church of Jesus Christ will not pass through the Tribulation. That is one reason why the Bible calls the Rapture “the blessed hope” Titus 2:13

“the blessed hope” Titus 2:13 I love it.

One of the best promises guaranteeing the church’s rapture before the Tribulation appears in Revelation 3:10. As you read it, keep in mind that it is one of our Lord’s own promises:

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth (emphasis added).

This text represents Christ’s message to one of His seven churches, the church at Philadelphia. It must transcend the one little church of Asia to which He wrote, for the church at Philadelphia has long been extinct, and the hour “which shall come upon the whole world” has not yet come.

 

[DavidTree]

Key verses that support the pre-tribulation rapture include 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which describes believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and Revelation 3:10, where Jesus promises to keep believers from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world. Other relevant passages include Matthew 24 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, which also discuss the resurrection and transformation of believers.

What Does the Bible Say About Pre Tribulation Rapture?

Bible verses about Pre Tribulation Rapture

www.openbible.info

The passage below details the Coming of Christ for the Body of Christ/Church/Saints, those who died and those who are alive
Please respond with the verse that declares a "pre-trib" rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15 - For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
16 - For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 - Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 - Therefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[DavidTree]

One of the most amazing aspects of the mystery revealed in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is the promise that the church of Jesus Christ will not pass through the Tribulation. That is one reason why the Bible calls the Rapture “the blessed hope” Titus 2:13

Please point out the verse(s) that says: the promise that the church of Jesus Christ will not pass through the Tribulation

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Please point out the verse(s) that says: the promise that the church of Jesus Christ will not pass through the Tribulation

we could use paul . WE are APPOINTED unto TRIBULATION . paul wasnt pre trib .
He and they all knew
IN this world YE shall have tribulation . They prepared their churches for it and
consoled them through it . pre trib offers up the best life now
and prepares this people for someone else . and that someone else
i must say WE want no part of that one . Most are never gonna see
it for what it is . EVEN now we have many anti christs and most cannot even discern they are an anti christ .
Many will soon be the betrayers of the true church . And when we are persecuted
by them and govts , they wont never seen it for what it was
THEY will never understand it was the true saints going through tribulation ,
rather many will follow the love gods will , believing it is love and is God . ONLY , IT WONT BE GOD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

we could use paul . WE are APPOINTED unto TRIBULATION . paul wasnt pre trib .
He and they all knew
IN this world YE shall have tribulation . They prepared their churches for it and
consoled them through it . pre trib offers up the best life now
and prepares this people for someone else . and that someone else
i must say WE want no part of that one . Most are never gonna see
it for what it is . EVEN now we have many anti christs and most cannot even discern they are an anti christ .
Many will soon be the betrayers of the true church . And when we are persecuted
by them and govts , they wont never seen it for what it was
THEY will never understand it was the true saints going through tribulation ,
rather many will follow the love gods will , believing it is love and is God . ONLY , IT WONT BE GOD .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“that no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭3‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

nope . try again . ALL it proves is THERE IS A RAPTURE . not a pre trib one .
Try again . In the mean time try reading the scrips soley for yourself without the influence
of any trib . see what happens . ps take a peek at second thess and you see first hand
THIS ONE TIME EVENT for yourself .

@Tothalordbeallglory
Correct. The coming of the LORD is a one time event. Once He comes, the door forever shuts. There are no second chances, pardner.

 

[Marvelloustime]

and try asking him what this common one he speaks of is my friend .
cause if its the one i hear commonly , THEY TWISTED THIS BIG TIME .
even paul was caught up . i seen them use that Caught up as an example
of meaning the church was raptured before What GOD SHOWED JOHN was to come .
BOY , oh boy do they got this dead wrong . IT in no way proves what they try and make it say .
ALL it proves is
JOHN was called up and SEEN THE DAY OF THE LORD .
rather odd i sure seem to see
in this revelation it makes mention of this beast and this false prophet
this mark and etc
AND IT SURE DO SAY the beast COMETH against , drum roll , THE SAINTS .
but again they try and say OH that is the TRIBULATION saints .
TO which i say
WE ARE APPOINTED unto tribulation . MANY have died and bled . MANY
but i guess this last generation of theirs is WAY TOO GOOD for all of that .
THESE folks have been deceived badly . but many DO love thier LIFE in this world
and want to hear ONLY my best life now and how they wont have to suffer tribulation FOR HIS NAME sake .
Not looking good david . not at all .

@Tothalordbeallglory
All these pre, mid, three quarters, two fifths, etc tribulation theories also give the dangerous and deadly idea that there is a “second chance” to be saved after the coming of the LORD. The scriptures sure tell us it’s a one time event. Today is the day of salvation. We are not guaranteed tomorrow.