God loves you

GallagherM

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Let me say this clearly: I don’t believe that Jesus absorbed the wrath that was specifically directed at Israel. That judgment had its own prophetic context—“These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22). What Yeshua did was far greater: He conquered sin, death, and the power of Satan—not by absorbing wrath, but by fulfilling righteousness and rising in victory.

And here’s the truth: God already lives within you. “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16). He knows your actions, your thoughts, and the condition of your heart—“O Lord, You have searched me and known me… You understand my thought afar off” (Psalm 139:1–2).

You’re going to fail. No matter how hard you try, you will never measure up to the perfection of the Son of God. And that’s the point. “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Yeshua did what none of us could ever do—“By one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous” (Romans 5:19).

So now you’re trying to live up to a standard you were never meant to carry alone. You’re weeping because you were harsh with someone. You’re ashamed because you gave in to temptation—whether it’s pornography or anything else. You’re beating yourself up over your failures.

But listen: God already knows. You can’t hide from Him—“There is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13). What He desires is honesty, not perfection. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

People may try to shame you. They’ll say, “You messed up—God must be angry with you.” But that’s not the gospel. Jesus already dealt with your sin. He was “delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:25). His resurrection is proof that the debt has been paid.

I know many preach about “God’s wrath” as if it’s still looming over every mistake. But that wrath, in its prophetic context, was poured out in judgment upon Israel. To weaponize it against believers today is a misuse of Scripture. It paints a picture of a tyrant God who hates you—and that’s simply not true.

God loves you. “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). He’s not asking for your shame—He’s asking for your honesty. The more you walk in that truth, the freer you’ll become. Because yes, people will hate. And when they do, they’ll try to convince you that God hates you too.

But they’re wrong. And it’s time to let go of that false image of a tyrant God. The Father revealed through Yeshua is full of grace and truth (John 1:14). And He’s not against you—He’s with you.
 
Clearly God cannot love those who don't belong to Him. If God loves 'you', He will save 'you.' If God doesn't love 'you', God will not save you. Scripture says, "God is love."

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8.

There are those to whom God has chosen to be with Him. Scripture calls these people "His people."

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21.

And who are "His people"?

15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deuteronomy 18:15.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:18.

"His people" are they who are His brethren, in this case, Hebrew. At the time of Moses saying this were twelve tribes or descendants of Jacob, or Israel.

27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Genesis 32:27–28.

Matthew and Luke give a comprehensive record of the birth-line of Jesus, Israel's Messiah, Lord, and King.

There are a people whom God does not love. They are called simply, the "world." In Jesus' Holy of Holies prayer, He makes distinction between "them/they" and "the world."

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:1–2.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. John 17:6–10.

In verse nine Jesus makes it clear to whom His prayers are for: "Them", and to whom He does not pray for: "the world." Throughout this chapter Jesus goes further in praying for "them" (those whom the Father gave to the Son - vs 6.) So, in one corner are those the Father gave to the Son and Jesus prays for "them." And you'll notice Jesus does not pray for "the world." This also identifies who "the world" are in John 3:16:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

In verse 16 Jesus says, "God so loved the world." But this "world" in verse sixteen is not the same as "the world" in John 17:9. What is the difference?
Under the Law of Moses the high priest does two things: he prays for the people of God (Israel) and offers sacrifice for the people of God (Israel.) Jesus, as High Priest, does two things: He prays for the people of God (John 17) and offers Himself as sacrifice for their sins. And upon His cross He utters "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." This "them/they" are those the Father gives to the Son. They are His people who He came to save. He clearly marks them off as "them/they" as being His people. They are also "the world" in John 3:16.
It is necessary for the High Priest to exclaim to whom His prayers and sacrifice are meant for. The Greek word translated as "world" ("kosmos") is understood in context to whom God so loved. They are the world of Hebrews. They are His people. And He came to save "them." There is no contradiction between "the world" in John 17:9, and "the world" in John 3:16. When Jesus died while offering Himself as sacrifice for their sin, He clearly had a people in mind when He sacrificed Himself. Jesus in not contradicting Himself in John 3:16 and John 17:9. These are clearly two different people. So, when Jesus says, "God so loved the world" He has the "world" of Hebrews in covenant with God that He loves. There are a people God loves; and there are a people God doesn't love. Then there is this:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:15–16.

God is not a hypocrite. Nor is God double minded. There are a people God loves; and there are a people God doesn't love. Does God "hate" those people He doesn't love? It can be argued that the answer is "Yes, there are a people God hates." They are those whom God tells believers not to love: "the world" of unbelievers. Just as there are a people God does love: the world of Hebrews in covenant with God. These are a people chosen before God created heaven, earth, and man. As John further explains:

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelations 13:8.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. Revelations 13:9.
 
God loves you … unless your name is “Esau”.
  • Malachi 1:3 [ESV] but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert."
  • Romans 9:13 [ESV] As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

;) :ROFLMAO:🥳
 
The Father revealed through Yeshua is full of grace and truth (John 1:14). And He’s not against you—He’s with you.
...sure, unless you are one of the never believers that are condemned already, Jn 3:18...shrug.
 
Yeah, God doesn't hate anyone... considering he has been appeased by the Lord Yeshua, and his sacrfice on the cross dying for the world.

You can quote scripture like that but it doesn't mean anything, especially in the whole of the context.
 
Let me say this clearly: I don’t believe that Jesus absorbed the wrath that was specifically directed at Israel. That judgment had its own prophetic context—“These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22). What Yeshua did was far greater: He conquered sin, death, and the power of Satan—not by absorbing wrath, but by fulfilling righteousness and rising in victory.
I am not sure what that means. The simple truth is that Jesus was the supreme sacrifice for the sins of the world. It is no accident that salvation is "through the blood" of that sacrifice.

The matter of Luke 21:22 is God dealing with national Israel, not spiritual Israel. It really has nothing to do with Jesus' sacrifice except that national Israel was the mechanism through which God sent Jesus to be the supreme sacrifice. (That is the message of Romans 9)

I believe that Jesus did indeed absorb the wrath that was and is specifically directed at the sinner; not Israel, the sinner.
 
Yeah, God doesn't hate anyone... considering he has been appeased by the Lord Yeshua, and his sacrfice on the cross dying for the world.

You can quote scripture like that but it doesn't mean anything, especially in the whole of the context.
Yes, God doesn't hate anyone, in fact just the opposite; instead, God loves everyone. God even loves those that He must condemn eternally for their sins in their unbelief.
 
God loves you … unless your name is “Esau”.
  • Malachi 1:3 [ESV] but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert."
  • Romans 9:13 [ESV] As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

;) :ROFLMAO:🥳
God loved Esau. Esau was a grandson of Abraham and was blessed of God. What God hated was that Esau wasn't too concerned with his birthright. Esau may have been hungry, but he wasn't starving. Esau could have gotten himself into the kitchen and cook the venison his father, Isaac, loved so much.
 
I am not sure what that means. The simple truth is that Jesus was the supreme sacrifice for the sins of the world. It is no accident that salvation is "through the blood" of that sacrifice.
If Jesus died to atone "the sins of the world" then the world would be saved and you end up with Universalism, something not taught in the Bible.
The matter of Luke 21:22 is God dealing with national Israel, not spiritual Israel.
No, God was dealing with natural Israel. Spiritual Israel did not exist until the Holy Spirit of Promise - Promised to Israel (Joel) - came down from heaven and began to dispense Himself in the lives of Jews in which they would be born-again and natural Israel became spiritual Israel.
It really has nothing to do with Jesus' sacrifice except that national Israel was the mechanism through which God sent Jesus to be the supreme sacrifice. (That is the message of Romans 9)
The Mosaic Law was the "mechanism" through which Israel became a people redeemed. It was the Ceremonial Law that Jesus fulfilled which was a mechanism through which the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could through substitutionary sacrifice save His people.
I believe that Jesus did indeed absorb the wrath that was and is specifically directed at the sinner; not Israel, the sinner.
The sinner (individual) was a sinner still and Jesus died to atone every individual sinner who was of Abraham's seed, and who when adding up the individual sinner was the nation of Israel.
Jesus received the wrath of God that was directed at the nation of Israel.
Gentiles were never part of the Law and were not even the focus at all to what Jesus was sent to do.
 
Let me say this clearly: I don’t believe that Jesus absorbed the wrath that was specifically directed at Israel. That judgment had its own prophetic context—“These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22). What Yeshua did was far greater: He conquered sin, death, and the power of Satan—not by absorbing wrath, but by fulfilling righteousness and rising in victory.

And here’s the truth: God already lives within you. “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16). He knows your actions, your thoughts, and the condition of your heart—“O Lord, You have searched me and known me… You understand my thought afar off” (Psalm 139:1–2).

You’re going to fail. No matter how hard you try, you will never measure up to the perfection of the Son of God. And that’s the point. “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Yeshua did what none of us could ever do—“By one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous” (Romans 5:19).

So now you’re trying to live up to a standard you were never meant to carry alone. You’re weeping because you were harsh with someone. You’re ashamed because you gave in to temptation—whether it’s pornography or anything else. You’re beating yourself up over your failures.

But listen: God already knows. You can’t hide from Him—“There is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13). What He desires is honesty, not perfection. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

People may try to shame you. They’ll say, “You messed up—God must be angry with you.” But that’s not the gospel. Jesus already dealt with your sin. He was “delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:25). His resurrection is proof that the debt has been paid.

I know many preach about “God’s wrath” as if it’s still looming over every mistake. But that wrath, in its prophetic context, was poured out in judgment upon Israel. To weaponize it against believers today is a misuse of Scripture. It paints a picture of a tyrant God who hates you—and that’s simply not true.

God loves you. “God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). He’s not asking for your shame—He’s asking for your honesty. The more you walk in that truth, the freer you’ll become. Because yes, people will hate. And when they do, they’ll try to convince you that God hates you too.

But they’re wrong. And it’s time to let go of that false image of a tyrant God. The Father revealed through Yeshua is full of grace and truth (John 1:14). And He’s not against you—He’s with you.
“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

Are you aware that Romans 3:23 that you quote is not referring to Christians? Verse 9 tells us Paul is referring to both Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians.
 
If Jesus died to atone "the sins of the world" then the world would be saved and you end up with Universalism, something not taught in the Bible.
That only says that you do not understand God's plan of salvation.
No, God was dealing with natural Israel. Spiritual Israel did not exist until the Holy Spirit of Promise - Promised to Israel (Joel) - came down from heaven and began to dispense Himself in the lives of Jews in which they would be born-again and natural Israel became spiritual Israel.
Spiritual Israel existed from the beginning. That was the remnant that Paul spoke of in Romans 9:27 and 11:5. Salvation is and has always been by grace through faith.
The Mosaic Law was the "mechanism" through which Israel became a people redeemed. It was the Ceremonial Law that Jesus fulfilled which was a mechanism through which the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could through substitutionary sacrifice save His people.
No one was saved through any mechanism of the Mosaic Law. Paul spent the majority of the first three chapters in Romans to make that point absolutely clear. And he reiterated that on numerous occasions outside of those few chapters.
The sinner (individual) was a sinner still and Jesus died to atone every individual sinner who was of Abraham's seed, and who when adding up the individual sinner was the nation of Israel.
Jesus received the wrath of God that was directed at the nation of Israel.
Gentiles were never part of the Law and were not even the focus at all to what Jesus was sent to do.
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.11 For God shows no partiality.

Rom 2:14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
 
No He didn't


Yes He did.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
 
If what we call love doesn’t take us beyond ourselves, it is not really love. If we have the idea that love is characterized as cautious, wise, sensible, shrewd, and never taken to extremes, we have missed the true meaning.
—OSWALD CHAMBERS

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:16

In 1 John 4:16 we read that “God is love.” It doesn’t say that He loves, although we know that God does love us with unconditional love. This verse says that God is love. This is His nature, who He is. He will never be anything other than love because to be so would be contrary to His own nature.

Love is such a loose term these days that we often don’t know what it really means. It can refer to anything from a vague impression to the most sincere depth of emotion and commitment. We live in a time with a confused concept of love. We have grown up with fairy-tale love and false expectations and dreams. We have picked up mixed messages of love.

That’s why it is so important to have our minds renewed by God’s Word. We need to be asking ourselves, “What does the Bible say about love?”
 
That only says that you do not understand God's plan of salvation.
I actually do. Saul says "All Israel shall be saved" and this covers the Hebrew people and descendants of Abraham. You say non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved and this means you believe in 'Universalism', something the Bible does not teach.
There are only two groups of people in the world: Jews/Hebrews and non-Hebrews. Scripture identifies the Hebrew people are saved and covered by the sacrifice of Israel's Savior and Redeemer, and you "identify" non-Hebrew Gentiles are also saved, and now you've put forth the false teaching of Universalism.
Spiritual Israel existed from the beginning.
Spiritual Israel became spiritual Israel when the Holy Spirit came down from heaven and indwelt along with the eleven apostles in the upper room three thousand Jews and mixed heritage Jews. (Acts 2 ) I'm also including the Samaritan woman and the rich young ruler who at the time left to do what Jesus said, which meant he had to leave - although sorrowful - to take stock of his possessions, find a lawyer to divest himself of his possessions, and to obey Jesus' instruction to "sell all thou hast and give to the poor" and once that was done he followed Jesus.
That was the remnant that Paul spoke of in Romans 9:27 and 11:5. Salvation is and has always been by grace through faith.
The Scripture describes and records three covenants. There is the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, and the New Covenant, and none of them in the text of Scripture mention nor include "faith" as a term included in these covenants.
You have to read the text and study it without making guesses. In Abraham's covenant described and recorded in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, nowhere does God include "faith" as a term of this contract. Circumcision, yes; "faith", no.
The Mosaic Covenant does not include "faith" as a term included in this contract between God and the children of Israel. But God does instruct "obedience" to His Law. The New Covenant prophecy of Jeremiah is found in his "book" in chapter thirty-one, verses thirty-one to thirty-four, and nowhere does God make "faith" a term in this contract. In the New Covenant prophecy of Jeremiah, the prophet does not include "faith" as a term included in this contract. It's only four verses and this covenant does not include "faith."
No one was saved through any mechanism of the Mosaic Law. Paul spent the majority of the first three chapters in Romans to make that point absolutely clear. And he reiterated that on numerous occasions outside of those few chapters.
So, Jesus did not die in accordance with the Law and in fulfillment of the Law instructing and commanding animal sacrifice, a sacrifice that God substituted with His Son on that Passover to atone finally and forever the sins of the children of Israel?
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.11 For God shows no partiality.
Greek refers to Hellenized Jews. It doesn't mean "Gentiles." If it did the word would be "ethnos."
These Hellenized Jews grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. From the first exile by the Assyrians (722 BC) until Jesus began His ministry 29-35 generations of Jews mingled with the Goyim and whether through marriage, slavery, concubinage, or employment, Jews and Gentiles did intermingle and have mixed heritage Jews-Gentile offspring who knew nothing of their Hebrew heritage and culture but were the seed of Abraham nevertheless and heirs according to the Promise.
Rom 2:14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
 
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