Frame on the baptism en the Holy Spirit

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TomL

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Baptism in the Spirit

How do people receive the Spirit? First, the Spirit regenerates, gives us a new birth, which we’ll talk more about in chapter 41. In the new birth, the Spirit is like the wind, which goes anywhere it wants (John 3:8). So in the first instance, it is not we who receive the Spirit, but it is the Spirit who receives us.
This initial regeneration is sometimes called in Scripture the “baptism in the Holy Spirit.” Paul describes it this way in 1 Corinthians 12:13: “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.” Cf. Matt. 3:11; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16. You see that the baptism of the Spirit includes all believers. In fact, the baptism of the Spirit is what makes us one body. Without that baptism, we are not part of the body of Christ. So everyone in the body has been baptized in the Spirit.
Some people think that the baptism of the Spirit is an experience that comes after conversion. But 1 Corinthians 12:13 and other texts show that that is not so. Everybody who is converted, everyone who is a Christian, is baptized in the Spirit. There are not two groups in the church, one baptized in the Spirit and the other not. If that were true, it would be a basis for disunity, rather than, as Paul says, a basis for unity.
Nor is this a repeated experience. It happens at regeneration, at the new birth. And as we will see, the new birth happens only once.
In the baptism of the Spirit, the Spirit comes on us with power to serve Jesus as his covenant people. He unites us to all the other people in his body, so that together with them we may do God’s work in the world.


John M. Frame, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Christian Belief (Phillipsburg, NJ: P&R Publishing, 2013), 926–927.
 
TomL said:
How do people receive the Spirit? First, the Spirit regenerates, gives us a new birth, which we’ll talk more about in chapter 41. In the new birth, the Spirit is like the wind, which goes anywhere it wants (John 3:8). So in the first instance, it is not we who receive the Spirit, but it is the Spirit who receives us
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If so, then regeneration precedes faith.
So, unless I'm misunderstanding you, regeneration occurs which is justification, salvation.
Salvation before ability to have faith in Jesus.
 
Salvation consists of Justification, regeneration and (initial) sanctification. All three occur at the same instant in time in the life of the repentant believer. That is the instant when the repentant believer goes from being a lost sinner to being a saint.
 
Titus said:
If so, then regeneration precedes faith.
So, unless I'm misunderstanding you, regeneration occurs which is justification, salvation.
Salvation before ability to have faith in Jesus.
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No faith precedes regeneration, being made alive, biblically

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
 
TomL said:
No faith precedes regeneration, being made alive, biblically

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
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"Believe/Believing" in John 20:31 is the Greek word "pistis" which means "faith". Because we have faith we receive life in His name.
Eph 2:8-9 - It is THROUGH faith that we receive grace, thus faith MUST precede the reception of justification.
 
Doug Brents said:
"Believe/Believing" in John 20:31 is the Greek word "pistis" which means "faith". Because we have faith we receive life in His name.
Eph 2:8-9 - It is THROUGH faith that we receive grace, thus faith MUST precede the reception of justification.
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As your comments note faith precedes the impartation of life which is regeneration
 
TomL said:
No faith precedes regeneration, being made alive, biblically

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
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Not my belief,
Calvinism teaches regeneration first then Faith afterward.

I believe the Bible,
Romans 10:17,
- So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word(gospel of Christ) of God

Faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel.
Then one obeys the gospel and God regenerates them by the washing of regeneration... which is also stated as washing of water by the word(gospel the Holy Spirit revealed.

Titus 3:5,
- not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 5:26,
- that Jesus might sanctify and cleanse it(the one body, 1Corinthians 12:13) with the washing of water by the word(the word being the work of the Holy Spirit)
 
Titus said:
Not my belief,
Calvinism teaches regeneration first then Faith afterward.

I believe the Bible,
Romans 10:17,
- So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word(gospel of Christ) of God

Faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel.
Then one obeys the gospel and God regenerates them by the washing of regeneration... which is also stated as washing of water by the word(gospel the Holy Spirit revealed.

Titus 3:5,
- not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 5:26,
- that Jesus might sanctify and cleanse it(the one body, 1Corinthians 12:13) with the washing of water by the word(the word being the work of the Holy Spirit)
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If you believe the bible, you have to reject the Calvinist teaching as Faith is always seen preceding life (regeneration)

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance
 
TomL said:
If you believe the bible, you have to reject the Calvinist teaching as Faith is always seen preceding life (regeneration)

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance
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spot on brother
 
TomL said:
Baptism in the Spirit

How do people receive the Spirit? First, the Spirit regenerates, gives us a new birth, which we’ll talk more about in chapter 41. In the new birth, the Spirit is like the wind, which goes anywhere it wants (John 3:8). So in the first instance, it is not we who receive the Spirit, but it is the Spirit who receives us.
This initial regeneration is sometimes called in Scripture the “baptism in the Holy Spirit.” Paul describes it this way in 1 Corinthians 12:13: “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.” Cf. Matt. 3:11; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16. You see that the baptism of the Spirit includes all believers. In fact, the baptism of the Spirit is what makes us one body. Without that baptism, we are not part of the body of Christ. So everyone in the body has been baptized in the Spirit.
Some people think that the baptism of the Spirit is an experience that comes after conversion. But 1 Corinthians 12:13 and other texts show that that is not so. Everybody who is converted, everyone who is a Christian, is baptized in the Spirit. There are not two groups in the church, one baptized in the Spirit and the other not. If that were true, it would be a basis for disunity, rather than, as Paul says, a basis for unity.
Nor is this a repeated experience. It happens at regeneration, at the new birth. And as we will see, the new birth happens only once.
In the baptism of the Spirit, the Spirit comes on us with power to serve Jesus as his covenant people. He unites us to all the other people in his body, so that together with them we may do God’s work in the world.


John M. Frame, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Christian Belief (Phillipsburg, NJ: P&R Publishing, 2013), 926–927.
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I think people try to make it complicated.

Baptism of the spirit is the act of God washing our sin, by baptizing us into his death and his burial and Christ (romans 6) where our sins are cleansed. and then baptizing us into his body or the church were we are adopted, It is the act of us being spiritually circumcized by the hand of God not men (col 2) and it is the reason we are born again, because it is the act of God justifying us freely. through faith.

Once this regeneration through justification occurs. We are then anointed by the spirit (the holy spirit come in or upon us, and seals us and dwells within us)
 
TomL said:
If you believe the bible, you have to reject the Calvinist teaching as Faith is always seen preceding life (regeneration)

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance
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amen

they have us being made alive while still under the penalty of sin..

God does not do this, he is the perfect judge.
 
TomL said:
you believe the bible, you have to reject the Calvinist teaching as Faith is always seen preceding life (regeneration)

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life
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I'm a Christian only.
Not a so called Christian with a hyphen.

Not a catholic christian.
Not a calvinist christian.
Not a Luthren christian, etc.

I dont believe in any Letter of the TULIP.

It is all false doctrine. All doctrines of demons.
 
Titus said:
I'm a Christian only.
Not a so called Christian with a hyphen.

Not a catholic christian.
Not a calvinist christian.
Not a Luthren christian, etc.

I dont believe in any Letter of the TULIP.

It is all false doctrine. All doctrines of demons.
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Ok Faith clearly precedes the impartation of life disputing Calvinist theology.

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Titus said:
Not my belief,
Calvinism teaches regeneration first then Faith afterward.

I believe the Bible,
Romans 10:17,
- So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word(gospel of Christ) of God

Faith comes from hearing and believing the gospel.
Then one obeys the gospel and God regenerates them by the washing of regeneration... which is also stated as washing of water by the word(gospel the Holy Spirit revealed.

Titus 3:5,
- not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit ...
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Eternally-Grateful said:
I think people try to make it complicated.

Baptism of the spirit is the act of God washing our sin, by baptizing us into his death and his burial and Christ (romans 6) where our sins are cleansed. and then baptizing us into his body or the church were we are adopted, It is the act of us being spiritually circumcized by the hand of God not men (col 2) and it is the reason we are born again, because it is the act of God justifying us freely. through faith.

Once this regeneration through justification occurs. We are then anointed by the spirit (the holy spirit come in or upon us, and seals us and dwells within us)
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Amen
 

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