brightfame52
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More like your problem
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".
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brightfame52
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He died only for those who believe on him , that's one of the benefits of him dying for you, you're given Faith to believe in him
You failed to address the scriptural fact
Your problem
Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
that is not someone in Christ
brightfame52
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I always look to those verses for total depravity Man is dead in sin when he's born that goes for the elect
Rowan
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Jesus Christ Died For The Entire World
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
brightfame52
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He died for the whole world of the elect Jew and gentile and those he died for He saved them
You failed to address the verse
Your problem
Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
that is not someone in Christ
brightfame52
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Like I said it's your problem
Not when you keep ignoring scripture
Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
that is not someone in Christ not someone justified as you falsely hold
Kokomo
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The first step to become a Christian is to understand what the term “Christian” means. Over the centuries, believers in Christ have adopted the term “Christian” and use it to identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. A simple definition of a Christian is a person who follows Jesus Christ.
By dying on the cross Jesus paid the penalty for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
Because of His love for us, God has made it exceedingly simple to become a Christian. All you have to do is receive Jesus as your Savior, fully accepting His death as the sufficient sacrifice for your sins (John 3:16)
Becoming a Christian is all about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ, through faith, is what makes a person a Christian.
GOT?
Kokomo
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What Must I Do To Be Saved?
What Must I Do To Be Saved?
The Bible explained in short messages. Great for when you are questioning, what does the Bible say?
Christ died
1. For all (1 Tim. 2:6; Isa. 53:6).
1 Timothy 2:6 (NASB 95) — 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Isaiah 53:6 (NASB 95) — 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
2. For every man (Heb. 2:9).
Hebrews 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
3. For the world (John 3:16).
John 3:16 (NASB 95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
4. For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).
1 John 2:2 (NASB 95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
5. For the ungodly (Rom. 5:6).
Romans 5:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
6. For false teachers (2 Peter 2:1).
2 Peter 2:1 (NASB 95) — 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
7. For many (Matt. 20:28).
Matthew 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
8. For Israel (John 11:50–51).
John 11:50–51 (NASB 95) — 50 nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish.” 51 Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation,
9. For the Church (Eph. 5:25).
Ephesians 5:25 (NASB 95) — 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,
10. For "me" Paul (Gal. 2:20).
Galatians 2:20 (NASB 95) — 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
You are adding words to scripture once again.
That is dishonoring the very word of God.
brightfame52
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I believe those scriptures that's total depravity
brightfame52
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Christ died only for believers, unbelievers them who never believe He didn't die for, and they die in their sins, and unbelief is one of the sins they die in. When one believes on Christ that's an evidence that He died for all their sins including their unbelief you understand now?
brightfame52
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He died for everyone who believes on him! Believing on him is a benefit of him dying for them. If a person never believes on Christ then Christ did not die for them, they were not his sheep that he died for see John 10:26
brightfame52
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No I'm not it's plain that he died for the sheep, elect John 10
Kokomo
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He died so there "could be" believers. The empty tome was the evidence.
The Empty Tomb
20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”3. So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4. Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5. He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6. Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7. as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8. Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9. (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10. Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.
John 20:1-10
brightfame52
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His death causes believers. His death and Resurrection converts those he died for into believers.
FreeInChrist
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I wish someone who believes that
"He died for the whole world of the elect Jew and gentile and those he died for He saved them"
would explain why 2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.... is needed.
And if the elect, and only the elect are saved... by a decision made before earth ever was.... why would
2 Cor 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
there be need to persuade men.... IF it has all been decided?
"He died for the whole world of the elect Jew and gentile and those he died for He saved them"
would explain why 2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.... is needed.
And if the elect, and only the elect are saved... by a decision made before earth ever was.... why would
2 Cor 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
there be need to persuade men.... IF it has all been decided?
