praise_yeshua
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Forcing others to love them?
Is that that the experience you treasure in your own lives?
Is that that the experience you treasure in your own lives?
Do Calvinists find value in...
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civic
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Thats just it Gods love is NEVER forced or coerced but in calvinism/reformed theology it definitely is forced or coerced.
praise_yeshua
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Love is the "bond" of perfect.
1Co 13:2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
1Co 13:5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
1Co 13:6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Co 13:8 Love never ends.
When some theologians talk of "love" they are not actually talking about the "Love of God". To be clear, Satan loves. He loves evil things. He loves his own. Even the children of Satan love their own families. Jesus made such clear when He said...
Luk 6:32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
Luk 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
The issue is one of purity. The issue is one of intent. It is essential that we understand HOW God loves. It is important to know what God values concerning love. What God desires is a reflect of CHARACTER within Divinity.
1Ti 1:5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
There are some that actually refer to regeneration as a "rape of the soul". Some do not use the word "rape" but their description of the process actually is a perfect description of rape.
I would like to understand the value of forcing someone to love you. I know I've tried to get others to love me that didn't. I can tell you, even if I had the power to enforce my will upon them, I don't see the value of having such a "connection" to another. I don't understand the intimacy that can formed from such a relationship.
Please explain.
1Co 13:2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
1Co 13:5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
1Co 13:6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Co 13:8 Love never ends.
When some theologians talk of "love" they are not actually talking about the "Love of God". To be clear, Satan loves. He loves evil things. He loves his own. Even the children of Satan love their own families. Jesus made such clear when He said...
Luk 6:32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
Luk 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
The issue is one of purity. The issue is one of intent. It is essential that we understand HOW God loves. It is important to know what God values concerning love. What God desires is a reflect of CHARACTER within Divinity.
1Ti 1:5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
There are some that actually refer to regeneration as a "rape of the soul". Some do not use the word "rape" but their description of the process actually is a perfect description of rape.
I would like to understand the value of forcing someone to love you. I know I've tried to get others to love me that didn't. I can tell you, even if I had the power to enforce my will upon them, I don't see the value of having such a "connection" to another. I don't understand the intimacy that can formed from such a relationship.
Please explain.
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civic
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It really boils down to ones presuppositions when they read the Bible. Like I always say ones theology needs to line up with God, His nature and character. Since God is immutable then Gods own character within the Trinity apart form man is who He is and that doesn't change. God is love within His own Triune Being. That love is exactly what Jesus showed us in the gospels. All one has to do is examine Jesus since His very words and deeds are the very words and deeds of God the Father which He said several times in the gospels for which the religious hypocrites tried stoning Him for those claims. Christ takes the mystery out of God and reveals the very nature and character of God in the gospels.
This is the achilles heal for calvinists/reformers with tulip, sovereignty, love, free will etc....
This is the achilles heal for calvinists/reformers with tulip, sovereignty, love, free will etc....
Overjoyed
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I believe the Scriptures reveal a God that manifests His glory by sacrificing Himself for the undeserving sinner, not by making us undeserving from birth so as to condemn us to display His glory. That's my King!
The Bible shows me a God that is most glorified not at the expense of His creation, but at the expense of Himself for the sake of His creation. The God I see revealed through Christ is one who would rather die than condemn another. He would rather pay the price Himself than make His enemy pay it. That's my King!
He desires mercy over justice. He loves His enemies and gives Himself up for them. He is like the “good Samaritan” who does not pass by on the other side of the road to avoid His enemies, but instead stops to provide for them even in their rebellion. That's my King!
I love Him for that. I want to brag on Him, glorify Him, because He is humble at heart and longs for all who are weak to come and find rest in Him. I see Jesus as a perfectreflection of the very nature of God. That's my King!
I love reading about the ministry of Christ because He is not seeking glory for Himself, but for others, and in so doing reveals Himself as the most glorious of all. He chooses to be born in a barn rather than a mansion; so that one-day we can live in a mansion that He prepares for us. That's my King!
He chooses to wash the feet of those who should be washing His, and instead of living a painless life He graciously gives Himself up to death, even death on a cross! That is indeed glorious!
That's my king! Do you know Him?
The Bible shows me a God that is most glorified not at the expense of His creation, but at the expense of Himself for the sake of His creation. The God I see revealed through Christ is one who would rather die than condemn another. He would rather pay the price Himself than make His enemy pay it. That's my King!
He desires mercy over justice. He loves His enemies and gives Himself up for them. He is like the “good Samaritan” who does not pass by on the other side of the road to avoid His enemies, but instead stops to provide for them even in their rebellion. That's my King!
I love Him for that. I want to brag on Him, glorify Him, because He is humble at heart and longs for all who are weak to come and find rest in Him. I see Jesus as a perfectreflection of the very nature of God. That's my King!
I love reading about the ministry of Christ because He is not seeking glory for Himself, but for others, and in so doing reveals Himself as the most glorious of all. He chooses to be born in a barn rather than a mansion; so that one-day we can live in a mansion that He prepares for us. That's my King!
He chooses to wash the feet of those who should be washing His, and instead of living a painless life He graciously gives Himself up to death, even death on a cross! That is indeed glorious!
That's my king! Do you know Him?
