Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will

[ProDeo]

You won’t get any personal testimony/ witness how Jesus changed , transformed their life.

I noticed.

Even as us humans with our God given conscience you can't judge a person guilty as he/she doesn't have a choice between good and bad, we are not animals without a conscience, without reason, without guilt. We have a choice and our God given conscience will make us aware about good and bad. Calvinism states we have no choice than to sin.

 

[civic]

I noticed.

Even as us humans with our God given conscience you can't judge a person guilty as he/she doesn't have a choice between good and bad, we are not animals without a conscience, without reason, without guilt. We have a choice and our God given conscience will make us aware about good and bad. Calvinism states we have no choice than to sin.

We should all be glad to tell others what Jesus has done for us and the difference He has made in our daily life’s. It’s not only biblical it’s evangelical. Those Jesus healed / saved spread the word to others. It’s what the apostles did in the early church and what we are to do as His witnesses/ disciples. Something is wrong when we do not want to share the hope we have in us with gentleness and patience as Peter instructed us to in his epistle

 

[ProDeo]

My Hope is in the Gospel, I have been testifying of it in this forum. Col 1:5,23

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Do you want more detail on this Gospel ?

Interesting, the 2 quotes of your (free) choice of all Scripture contained the word "hope".

I understand, all you can do is hope, the hope you are elected, because you can't be sure.

That's not the Gospel.

1John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1John 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

That's the Gospel.

Living in fear for your salvation isn't.

 

[brightfame52]

I submit that being reborn into the Spirit of GOD restores our free will with the ability to make true righteous decisions.

But we still have to be sanctified, that is, weaned from our memories of the pleasures and profits of sin by the training in righteousness by serious chastisements as we read in Heb 12:5-11.

Mans will is never free from God, Ps 37 23

The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.

Eph 2

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Not to deny men the ability to make decisions, however all is going to be what God previously arranged

 

[brightfame52]

Interesting, the 2 quotes of your (free) choice of all Scripture contained the word "hope".

I understand, all you can do is hope, the hope you are elected, because you can't be sure.

That's not the Gospel.

1John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1John 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

That's the Gospel.

Living in fear for your salvation isn't.

Do you know what the Gospel is and Gods role in saving sinners, and which sinners He saves ?

 

[TedT]

Mans will is never free from God, Ps 37 23

The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.

ordered is kun - To establish, prepare, make firm, set up, fix, direct

How does the Lord do this? By forcing HIS people to do as they are told and free will be damned OR by bringing HIS people into conformity to HIS will, HIS goodness, by the process of sanctification until our wills are one with HIS in HOLINESS and we will never sin again because we have no evil desires in our heart any longer. James 1:14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.…is cured!! Fixed !! without denial of our free will.

 

[brightfame52]

ordered is kun - To establish, prepare, make firm, set up, fix, direct

How does the Lord do this? By forcing HIS people to do as they are told and free will be damned OR by bringing HIS people into conformity to HIS will, HIS goodness, by the process of sanctification until our wills are one with HIS in HOLINESS and we will never sin again because we have no evil desires in our heart any longer. James 1:14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.…is cured!! Fixed !! without denial of our free will.

I know what the hebrew word is friend.

Barnes write

The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord - Margin, "established." The word rendered "ordered" means to stand erect; to set up; to found; to adjust, fit, direct. The idea here is, that all which pertains to the journey of a good man through life is directed, ordered, fitted, or arranged by the Lord. That is, his course of life is under the divine guidance and control. The word "good" has been supplied here by our translators, and there is nothing corresponding to it in the original. It is simply there, "the steps of man are ordered," etc. Yet there can be no doubt that a good or pious man is particularly referred to, for the connection demands this interpretation. The word "steps" here means his course of life; the way in which he goes.

 

[TomL]

They received Him after being born again and given a new nature that gravitates to the light.

Nope

John 1:12 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God,

It is regeneration that makes one a child of God, and they received that right when they received Christ

thus the right is given because of receiving Christ and it precedes the regeneration.

You got scripture backwards once again.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

John 1:12 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God,

It is regeneration that makes one a child of God, and they received that right when they received Christ

thus the right is given because of receiving Christ and it precedes the regeneration.

You got scripture backwards once again.

Yes, otherwise men love darkness rather than light Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[civic]

Nope

John 1:12 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God,

It is regeneration that makes one a child of God, and they received that right when they received Christ

thus the right is given because of receiving Christ and it precedes the regeneration.

You got scripture backwards once again.

Yes just the opposite

 

[ProDeo]

Do you know what the Gospel is and Gods role in saving sinners, and which sinners He saves ?

John 8:36 - So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Are you free?

 

[civic]

John 8:36 - So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Are you free?

Yes indeed the Son set me free in 1980 !!!

 

[brightfame52]

John 8:36 - So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Are you free?

Thats part of it. You ever heard of TULIP ? Those are Gospel Truths, do you know what TULIP means ? The acronym

 

[ProDeo]

Yes indeed the Son set me free in 1980 !!!

1974

 

[civic]

1974

Wow PTL !!!!

God is Good indeed !

 

[civic]

Thats part of it. You ever heard of TULIP ? Those are Gospel Truths, do you know what TULIP means ? The acronym

Nothing about the gospel in tulip.

 

[ProDeo]

Thats part of it. You ever heard of TULIP ? Those are Gospel Truths, do you know what TULIP means ? The acronym

I know everything about TULIPs, I am a Dutch!

Kidding aside, I grew up in a Calvinistic [TULIP] country, raised in fear for hell. It's when I came to Christ and started to read the Scriptures myself I was amazed, it said something different than I was told. For instance the well known John 3:16. And I believed it, eternal life [!]

And I told my lovely grandmother, I have eternal life!, but she said you can not say that, nobody knows, depends, saying something like in : Dan 5:27 - you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting;

And I spoke my father in law who was an elder in the Reformed church and told him the same, Jesus promised me eternal life and I got the same denial. They only hope, sort of 50-50 case, and lived in fear.

Election and predestination my friend are based on the foreknowledge of God, not on some unknown formula of God nobody knows. God knows if your name is in the Book of Life before you were born, you only have to live it as a true testimony, not everything in the Bible is about our salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Just believe and praise God for Jesus.

 

[TomL]

Yes just the opposite

It's typical in his theology

 

[TomL]

Yes, otherwise men love darkness rather than light Jn 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

You skipped over the point

Regeneration is what makes one a child of God

Those who receive Christ receive that right.

Your doctrine is shown to be inverted.

 

[brightfame52]

You skipped over the point

Regeneration is what makes one a child of God

Those who receive Christ receive that right.

Your doctrine is shown to be inverted.

You evading now to another truth, you have yet to show from scripture how man who naturally loves darkness and hates the light, all of the sudden by nature loves the light and embraces it, while still in nature which hates the light.

Jn 3:19-20

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Man by nature we are spiritually dead and evil, hateth the light of truth, neither comes to the light.