Abraham
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No, Abraham by faith obeyed the call to go to the land where he would receive his inheritance (Hebrews 11:8).
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it a central part of the Gospel message, which was in accordance him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which was the Gospel that made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5), and which he spread to his children and those of his household in accordance with the promise (Genesis 18:19). So Abraham believed the promise since his introduction in Genesis 12 and actively worked in order to bring it about.
If you are interested, then there are traditions within Judaism about how Abraham turned from idolatry.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it a central part of the Gospel message, which was in accordance him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which was the Gospel that made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), which he spread to those in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5), and which he spread to his children and those of his household in accordance with the promise (Genesis 18:19). So Abraham believed the promise since his introduction in Genesis 12 and actively worked in order to bring it about.
If you are interested, then there are traditions within Judaism about how Abraham turned from idolatry.
In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith for Abraham and everyone else.
I was speaking about the Law of God, not about works of the law, and I did not say anything about becoming justified as the result of our obedience to it.
If you agree that it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of sin and that we should refrain from doing what God has given knowledge to be sin, then you should agree that we should obey the Law of God.
Diserner
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For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;
for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us
For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
(Gal. 3 NKJ)
for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us
For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
(Gal. 3 NKJ)
brightfame52
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No, evidence of Abraham being saved, regenerated is when he by Faith first obeyed God Heb 11:8
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Do you think that the correct interpretation of those verses is that God is a giver of unreliable instructions that should not be trusted and that the way to be blessed is by becoming a doer of what God has revealed to be sin while the way to be cursed is by obediently trusting in God's instructions for how to be blessed?
We can't earn our eternal life or righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God because it was never given as a way of doing that in the first place, but that doesn't mean that we are not obligated to obey it for the purposes for which God has commanded it. The way to have faith in Jesus Christ is not by rejecting all that he is. In Act 3:25-26, Jesus was sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, not in order to curse us by causing us to be free to become doers of what the Law of God reveals to be wickedness.
