A Challenge

Yet Jesus is the firstborn.
Prototokos.

So, is he created, or begotten?
The Bible refers to Christ as God’s Son at least 120 times. Forty-eight times using the phrase “Son of God.”
Regarding the genuineness of Christ’s Sonship, He is called the “only begotten” six times, “the firstborn” four times, “the firstbegotten” once and God’s “holy child” twice.
Not once does the Bible even so much as hint that Jesus is only a Son in a metaphorical sense. The Bible means what it says and says what it means.
Four verses say He was “begotten” prior to His incarnation so this cannot be applied to His birth on earth from Mary as some have chosen to believe. These verses say that He “proceeded forth from,” “came out from” or “camest forth from” the Father.
The evidence on this subject is overwhelming. Christ truly is the literal begotten Son of God who was brought forth from the Father before all creation.
The example verses below with the help of the Thayer dictionary also reveal that Jesus was brought forth/born of the Father before the world was, then much later, He came into the world.
“I Came Out from God”
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon:
G1831 (ἐξέρχομαι-exerchomai) – To come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of.
G2064 (ἔρχομαι-erchomai) – To come from one place to another.
John 8:42 “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth [G1831] AND came from God; neither came [G2064] I of myself, but he sent me.”
John 16:27-28 “For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out [G1831-exercomai] from God. 28 I came forth [G1831] from the Father, and am come [G2064] into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
John 17:7-8 “Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you. 8 For I have given unto them the words which you gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out [G1831] from you, and they have believed that you did send me.”
Compare:
Matt 12:43-44 “When the unclean spirit is gone out (G1831, ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai ) of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out (G1831, ἐξέρχομαι exerchomai ) ; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.”

So beware of anyone trying to deceive you and trick you into thinking Jesus merely "came out from the presence of the Father", but did not truly originate from the Father.
This is a lie from the devil.
It is true that the Son obviously left the presence of His Father and went out from His presence, but that is included. The focus is on Christ's origin in heaven, and that is His Father. The message here encompasses BOTH Christ originating from His Father, AND leaving the presence of the Father to be sent into this world.
Both concepts are
clearly presented.
 
I have a challenge. Please read carefully the following, and then answer the concluding questions using Scripture only as the basis for your answers.

1 Peter 1:18,19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

2:24,25 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls
3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

In light of the above scriptures, and many more such besides,(Rom. 3:25,26. 5:8,9. 6:10. Colossians 1:20-22. Heb. 9:15,16,22.) my question is.....
When Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, was this act a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin? In other words, has the full redemption price been paid, and what was that price?

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, "except ye repent", ye shall all likewise perish.

Rom. 11: 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, "if thou continue" in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Heb. 10: 26 For "if we sin wilfully" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom "
ye yield yourselves"servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sinunto death, or of obedienceunto righteousness?

It seems that, according to the Jesus of the Bible and His Inspired Words, the answer to your question would depend on each person's willingness to submit to God.

2 Cor. 5:
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
So you are saying that the punishment for sin is to perish? I would agree with that as per John 3:16 as an example. One could add,
KJV Psalms 37:20
20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
KJV Proverbs 19:9
9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish. ... And...
I'm the context of loving truth...
KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:10
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Which begs the question, what does it mean... To perish? To die with no hope of a resurrection, or to be granted eternal life, but at a different address to the saved?
 
I have a challenge. Please read carefully the following, and then answer the concluding questions using Scripture only as the basis for your answers.

1 Peter 1:18,19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

2:24,25 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls
3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

In light of the above scriptures, and many more such besides,(Rom. 3:25,26. 5:8,9. 6:10. Colossians 1:20-22. Heb. 9:15,16,22.) my question is.....
When Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, was this act a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin? In other words, has the full redemption price been paid, and what was that price?
When Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, His act was indeed a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin. The full redemption price has been paid through His sacrificial death. Let's examine the Scriptures provided and additional ones to confirm this conclusion.

1. Full and Final Settlement of the Debt

1 Peter 1:18-19:
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."

This passage emphasizes that believers are redeemed not with perishable things like silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ. The imagery of Christ as a lamb without blemish and spot echoes the Old Testament sacrificial system, where a spotless lamb was required for atonement, pointing to the final and perfect sacrifice of Jesus.


1 Peter 2:24-25:
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls."
Jesus bore our sins in His body on the cross, fulfilling the role of the sin-bearer. This act leads to our spiritual healing and restoration to God, indicating the completeness of His atoning work.


1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit."

Jesus' suffering was a one-time, sufficient act for sins. The just (Jesus) suffered for the unjust (us) to bring us to God, indicating the sufficiency and finality of His sacrifice.


2. Redemption Price and Its Completeness
1 Corinthians 15:3-4:
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."


These verses affirm that Christ's death, burial, and resurrection were in accordance with the Scriptures, fulfilling God's redemptive plan.
Additional Scriptures:


Romans 3:25-26:
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

Jesus is presented as a propitiation by His blood. Propitiation refers to the satisfaction of God's wrath against sin, signifying the completeness of His atoning work.


Romans 5:8-9:
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Justification by His blood and salvation from wrath underscore the effectiveness and sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice.


Colossians 1:20-22:
"And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight."
Peace and reconciliation through the blood of the cross indicate the completeness of the redemptive work.


Hebrews 9:15-16, 22:
"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
The necessity of Jesus' death for redemption and the requirement of blood for forgiveness underline the finality of His sacrifice.


Conclusion:
Yes, when Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, it was a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin. The full redemption price has been paid, and that price was the precious blood of Christ. His once-for-all sacrifice on the cross satisfies the requirements for the forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and eternal salvation for those who believe.


The price of our redemption, as consistently taught in Scripture, is the precious blood of Jesus Christ. This blood, shed on the cross, serves as the ultimate and final sacrifice for sin, providing atonement, forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal redemption for all who believe. This central tenet of Christian faith underscores the immense value and effectiveness of Jesus' sacrificial death in fulfilling God's redemptive plan.


In the New Testament, the Greek word often translated as "price" is τιμή (timē). This word and its cognates are used to convey the idea of value, honor, or the cost of something. Here’s an analysis of the word τιμή (timē) and its grammatical and morphological context:

Greek Analysis:
τιμή (timē)

Strong's Number: G5092
Meaning: Value, price, honor.
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine.
Usage in NT: The word is used to denote both the literal price of an object and the figurative price or value, such as honor or esteem.
Example in Context:

1 Corinthians 6:20:

Greek: "ἠγοράσθητε γὰρ τιμῆς· δοξάσατε δὴ τὸν θεὸν ἐν τῷ σώματι ὑμῶν."
Translation: "For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body."
Morphology:
ἠγοράσθητε (ēgorasthēte) - Verb, Aorist Passive Indicative, 2nd Person Plural (You were bought).
τιμῆς (timēs) - Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (of a price).
1 Corinthians 7:23:

Greek: "τιμῆς ἠγοράσθητε, μὴ γίνεσθε δοῦλοι ἀνθρώπων."
Translation: "You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men."
Morphology:
τιμῆς (timēs) - Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (of a price).
Understanding the Genitive Case:

The genitive case (τιμῆς) is often used to denote possession, origin, or, in this context, the price paid for something. It indicates the value or cost associated with the act of purchase or redemption.
The Concept of "Price" in Hebrew
In the Old Testament, the concept of price or value is often conveyed using words such as מְחִיר (mekhir) or כֶּסֶף (kesef) when referring to silver or money used as a price.

Hebrew Analysis:
מְחִיר (mekhir)

Strong's Number: H4242
Meaning: Price, value.
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine.
Usage in OT: This word is used to denote the price or cost of something, often in the context of trade or redemption.
כֶּסֶף (kesef)

Strong's Number: H3701
Meaning: Silver, money.
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine.
Usage in OT: Often used to denote money, particularly in terms of a price paid.
Example in Context:

Isaiah 55:1:
Hebrew: "הוֹי כָּל־צָמֵא לְכוּ לַמַּיִם וַאֲשֶׁר אֵין־לֹו כָּסֶף לְכוּ שִׁבְרוּ וֶאֱכֹלוּ וּלְכוּ שִׁבְרוּ בְּלוֹא כֶסֶף וּבְלוֹא מְחִיר יַיִן וְחָלָב."
Translation: "Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price."

Morphology:
כָּסֶף (kesef) - Noun, Masculine Singular (money).
מְחִיר (mekhir) - Noun, Masculine Singular (price).
Morphological and Grammatical Context
Greek Morphology:
τιμῆς (timēs) - This is the genitive singular form of τιμή (timē), showing possession or association. The word describes the value or cost involved, often used to denote the sacrificial price in the New Testament context, particularly relating to Jesus' redemptive work.
Hebrew Morphology:
מְחִיר (mekhir) - Typically appears in the singular form, indicating a specific price or value.
כֶּסֶף (kesef) - Also in singular form, referring to money or silver as a form of currency or price.


Conclusion:
The price of our redemption, as expressed in both Greek and Hebrew contexts, is the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ. The Greek term τιμή (timē) emphasizes the value or honor associated with the sacrificial act, while the Hebrew terms מְחִיר (mekhir) and כֶּסֶף (kesef) highlight the concept of a monetary or valuable price. These terms together underscore the profound cost and the ultimate sacrifice Jesus made for the redemption of humanity.
 
When Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, His act was indeed a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin. The full redemption price has been paid through His sacrificial death. Let's examine the Scriptures provided and additional ones to confirm this conclusion.

1. Full and Final Settlement of the Debt

1 Peter 1:18-19:
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."

This passage emphasizes that believers are redeemed not with perishable things like silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ. The imagery of Christ as a lamb without blemish and spot echoes the Old Testament sacrificial system, where a spotless lamb was required for atonement, pointing to the final and perfect sacrifice of Jesus.


1 Peter 2:24-25:
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls."
Jesus bore our sins in His body on the cross, fulfilling the role of the sin-bearer. This act leads to our spiritual healing and restoration to God, indicating the completeness of His atoning work.


1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit."

Jesus' suffering was a one-time, sufficient act for sins. The just (Jesus) suffered for the unjust (us) to bring us to God, indicating the sufficiency and finality of His sacrifice.


2. Redemption Price and Its Completeness
1 Corinthians 15:3-4:
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."


These verses affirm that Christ's death, burial, and resurrection were in accordance with the Scriptures, fulfilling God's redemptive plan.
Additional Scriptures:


Romans 3:25-26:
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

Jesus is presented as a propitiation by His blood. Propitiation refers to the satisfaction of God's wrath against sin, signifying the completeness of His atoning work.


Romans 5:8-9:
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Justification by His blood and salvation from wrath underscore the effectiveness and sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice.


Colossians 1:20-22:
"And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight."
Peace and reconciliation through the blood of the cross indicate the completeness of the redemptive work.


Hebrews 9:15-16, 22:
"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."
The necessity of Jesus' death for redemption and the requirement of blood for forgiveness underline the finality of His sacrifice.


Conclusion:
Yes, when Jesus died upon the cross of Calvary, it was a full and final settlement of the debt we owe due to our sin. The full redemption price has been paid, and that price was the precious blood of Christ. His once-for-all sacrifice on the cross satisfies the requirements for the forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and eternal salvation for those who believe.


The price of our redemption, as consistently taught in Scripture, is the precious blood of Jesus Christ. This blood, shed on the cross, serves as the ultimate and final sacrifice for sin, providing atonement, forgiveness, reconciliation, and eternal redemption for all who believe. This central tenet of Christian faith underscores the immense value and effectiveness of Jesus' sacrificial death in fulfilling God's redemptive plan.


In the New Testament, the Greek word often translated as "price" is τιμή (timē). This word and its cognates are used to convey the idea of value, honor, or the cost of something. Here’s an analysis of the word τιμή (timē) and its grammatical and morphological context:

Greek Analysis:
τιμή (timē)

Strong's Number: G5092
Meaning: Value, price, honor.
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine.
Usage in NT: The word is used to denote both the literal price of an object and the figurative price or value, such as honor or esteem.
Example in Context:

1 Corinthians 6:20:

Greek: "ἠγοράσθητε γὰρ τιμῆς· δοξάσατε δὴ τὸν θεὸν ἐν τῷ σώματι ὑμῶν."
Translation: "For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body."
Morphology:
ἠγοράσθητε (ēgorasthēte) - Verb, Aorist Passive Indicative, 2nd Person Plural (You were bought).
τιμῆς (timēs) - Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (of a price).
1 Corinthians 7:23:

Greek: "τιμῆς ἠγοράσθητε, μὴ γίνεσθε δοῦλοι ἀνθρώπων."
Translation: "You were bought with a price; do not become bondservants of men."
Morphology:
τιμῆς (timēs) - Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (of a price).
Understanding the Genitive Case:

The genitive case (τιμῆς) is often used to denote possession, origin, or, in this context, the price paid for something. It indicates the value or cost associated with the act of purchase or redemption.
The Concept of "Price" in Hebrew
In the Old Testament, the concept of price or value is often conveyed using words such as מְחִיר (mekhir) or כֶּסֶף (kesef) when referring to silver or money used as a price.

Hebrew Analysis:
מְחִיר (mekhir)

Strong's Number: H4242
Meaning: Price, value.
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine.
Usage in OT: This word is used to denote the price or cost of something, often in the context of trade or redemption.
כֶּסֶף (kesef)

Strong's Number: H3701
Meaning: Silver, money.
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine.
Usage in OT: Often used to denote money, particularly in terms of a price paid.
Example in Context:

Isaiah 55:1:
Hebrew: "הוֹי כָּל־צָמֵא לְכוּ לַמַּיִם וַאֲשֶׁר אֵין־לֹו כָּסֶף לְכוּ שִׁבְרוּ וֶאֱכֹלוּ וּלְכוּ שִׁבְרוּ בְּלוֹא כֶסֶף וּבְלוֹא מְחִיר יַיִן וְחָלָב."
Translation: "Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price."

Morphology:
כָּסֶף (kesef) - Noun, Masculine Singular (money).
מְחִיר (mekhir) - Noun, Masculine Singular (price).
Morphological and Grammatical Context
Greek Morphology:
τιμῆς (timēs) - This is the genitive singular form of τιμή (timē), showing possession or association. The word describes the value or cost involved, often used to denote the sacrificial price in the New Testament context, particularly relating to Jesus' redemptive work.
Hebrew Morphology:
מְחִיר (mekhir) - Typically appears in the singular form, indicating a specific price or value.
כֶּסֶף (kesef) - Also in singular form, referring to money or silver as a form of currency or price.


Conclusion:
The price of our redemption, as expressed in both Greek and Hebrew contexts, is the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ. The Greek term τιμή (timē) emphasizes the value or honor associated with the sacrificial act, while the Hebrew terms מְחִיר (mekhir) and כֶּסֶף (kesef) highlight the concept of a monetary or valuable price. These terms together underscore the profound cost and the ultimate sacrifice Jesus made for the redemption of humanity.
No Jesus' death does not cover all sin--Heb 10:26--No sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin if they know its sin. And there is no excuse not to know its sin. And Jesus assures to all at Matt 7:21-23--No matter what they think they do for him if they work iniquity( practice or willfull sin) they will hear those words as judgement= Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you.
If ones teaching what you claim, they are blind guides--run from them. And acts 3:19 is clear---Repent and turn around( stop doing the sin) to get sins blotted out.
 
No Jesus' death does not cover all sin--Heb 10:26--No sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin if they know its sin. And there is no excuse not to know its sin. And Jesus assures to all at Matt 7:21-23--No matter what they think they do for him if they work iniquity( practice or willfull sin) they will hear those words as judgement= Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you.
If ones teaching what you claim, they are blind guides--run from them. And acts 3:19 is clear---Repent and turn around( stop doing the sin) to get sins blotted out.
All sin is willful , you sin willingly.
 
No Jesus' death does not cover all sin--Heb 10:26--No sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin if they know its sin. And there is no excuse not to know its sin. And Jesus assures to all at Matt 7:21-23--No matter what they think they do for him if they work iniquity( practice or willfull sin) they will hear those words as judgement= Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you.
If ones teaching what you claim, they are blind guides--run from them. And acts 3:19 is clear---Repent and turn around( stop doing the sin) to get sins blotted out.
Guess you are sitting with a problem then-am I a blind guide? Let's see--Messiah's death does NOT cover all Hamartia? Corey, my mentor, have a better understanding on this-no offense.


The New Testament contains several references that emphasize Jesus' death as a one-time, all-sufficient sacrifice for the cleansing of sins. Here are some key passages with morphological analysis that highlight this concept:


Key Passages and Morphology
Hebrews 7:27
Greek Text: "ὃς οὐκ ἔχει καθ' ἡμέραν ἀνάγκην, ὥσπερ οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς, πρῶτον ὑπὲρ τῶν ἰδίων ἁμαρτιῶν θυσίας προσφέρειν, εἶτα τῶν τοῦ λαοῦ· τοῦτο γὰρ ἐποίησεν ἐφάπαξ ἑαυτὸν προσενέγκας."
Translation: "Who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself."


Morphology:
ἐποίησεν (epoiēsen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He did/made).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).

ἑαυτὸν (heauton): Reflexive Pronoun, Accusative Singular Masculine (Himself).

προσενέγκας (prosenenkas): Verb, Aorist Active Participle, Nominative Singular Masculine (having offered).

Hebrews 9:12
Greek Text: "οὐδὲ δι' αἵματος τράγων καὶ μόσχων, διὰ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος εἰσῆλθεν ἐφάπαξ εἰς τὰ ἅγια, αἰωνίαν λύτρωσιν εὑράμενος."
Translation: "Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption."


Morphology:
εἰσῆλθεν (eisēlthen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He entered).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).
αἰωνίαν (aiōnian): Adjective, Accusative Singular Feminine (eternal).

λύτρωσιν (lytrōsin): Noun, Accusative Singular Feminine (redemption).
εὑράμενος (heuramenos): Verb, Aorist Middle Participle, Nominative Singular Masculine (having obtained).

Hebrews 9:26
Greek Text: "ἐπεὶ ἔδει αὐτὸν πολλάκις παθεῖν ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου· νυνὶ δὲ ἅπαξ ἐπὶ συντελείᾳ τῶν αἰώνων εἰς ἀθέτησιν τῆς ἁμαρτίας διὰ τῆς θυσίας αὐτοῦ πεφανέρωται."
Translation: "He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."


Morphology:
ἅπαξ (hapax): Adverb (once).
πεφανέρωται (pephanerōtai): Verb, Perfect Passive Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He has appeared).

ἀθέτησιν (athētēsin): Noun, Accusative Singular Feminine (putting away).

θυσίας (thysias): Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (sacrifice).

Hebrews 10:10
Greek Text: "ἐν ᾧ θελήματι ἡγιασμένοι ἐσμὲν διὰ τῆς προσφορᾶς τοῦ σώματος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐφάπαξ."
Translation: "By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Morphology:
ἡγιασμένοι (hēgiasmenoi): Verb, Perfect Passive Participle, Nominative Plural Masculine (having been sanctified).

προσφορᾶς (prosphoras): Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (offering).

σώματος (sōmatos): Noun, Genitive Singular Neuter (body).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).


Hebrews 10:12
Greek Text: "αὐτὸς δὲ μιᾷ θυσίᾳ ὑπὲρ ἁμαρτιῶν εἰς τὸ διηνεκὲς ἐκάθισεν ἐν δεξιᾷ τοῦ θεοῦ,"
Translation: "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,"

Morphology:
μιᾷ (mia): Adjective, Dative Singular Feminine (one).

θυσίᾳ (thysia): Noun, Dative Singular Feminine (sacrifice).

εἰς τὸ διηνεκές (eis to diēnekes): Prepositional Phrase (forever).

ἐκάθισεν (ekathisen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He sat down).


Hebrews 10:14
Greek Text: "μιᾷ γὰρ προσφορᾷ τετελείωκεν εἰς τὸ διηνεκὲς τοὺς ἁγιαζομένους."
Translation: "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Morphology:

μιᾷ (mia): Adjective, Dative Singular Feminine (one).

προσφορᾷ (prosphora): Noun, Dative Singular Feminine (offering).

τετελείωκεν (teteleiōken): Verb, Perfect Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He has perfected).

εἰς τὸ διηνεκές (eis to diēnekes): Prepositional Phrase (forever).
ἁγιαζομένους (hagiazomenous): Verb, Present Passive Participle, Accusative Plural Masculine (those who are being sanctified).

Summary
These passages from Hebrews consistently emphasize that Jesus' death was a one-time, all-sufficient act for the cleansing of sins. The Greek terms such as ἐφάπαξ (ephapax) and ἅπαξ (hapax), meaning "once for all" and "once," respectively, reinforce the finality and completeness of His sacrifice. This theological point is central to the understanding of Jesus' work on the cross in the New Testament.

Question-just in case you think I am not familiar with the Koine Greek-


How many Perfect Tenses do you notice here? And what is the Perfect Tense?

How do you answer @Keiw1?
 
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All sin is willful , you sin willingly.
A righteous one lets small sin slip, but do not do these- 1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21--Paul mentions spiritism at Gal. The Greek word= Pharmacia-thus drug addiction is apart of that, thus along with all the false god worship on earth and those 2 lists=99% on earth are failing.
 
Guess you are sitting with a problem then-am I a blind guide? Let's see--Messiah's death does NOT cover all Hamartia? Corey, my mentor, have a better understanding on this-no offense.


The New Testament contains several references that emphasize Jesus' death as a one-time, all-sufficient sacrifice for the cleansing of sins. Here are some key passages with morphological analysis that highlight this concept:


Key Passages and Morphology
Hebrews 7:27
Greek Text: "ὃς οὐκ ἔχει καθ' ἡμέραν ἀνάγκην, ὥσπερ οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς, πρῶτον ὑπὲρ τῶν ἰδίων ἁμαρτιῶν θυσίας προσφέρειν, εἶτα τῶν τοῦ λαοῦ· τοῦτο γὰρ ἐποίησεν ἐφάπαξ ἑαυτὸν προσενέγκας."
Translation: "Who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself."


Morphology:
ἐποίησεν (epoiēsen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He did/made).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).

ἑαυτὸν (heauton): Reflexive Pronoun, Accusative Singular Masculine (Himself).

προσενέγκας (prosenenkas): Verb, Aorist Active Participle, Nominative Singular Masculine (having offered).

Hebrews 9:12
Greek Text: "οὐδὲ δι' αἵματος τράγων καὶ μόσχων, διὰ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος εἰσῆλθεν ἐφάπαξ εἰς τὰ ἅγια, αἰωνίαν λύτρωσιν εὑράμενος."
Translation: "Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption."


Morphology:
εἰσῆλθεν (eisēlthen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He entered).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).
αἰωνίαν (aiōnian): Adjective, Accusative Singular Feminine (eternal).

λύτρωσιν (lytrōsin): Noun, Accusative Singular Feminine (redemption).
εὑράμενος (heuramenos): Verb, Aorist Middle Participle, Nominative Singular Masculine (having obtained).

Hebrews 9:26
Greek Text: "ἐπεὶ ἔδει αὐτὸν πολλάκις παθεῖν ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου· νυνὶ δὲ ἅπαξ ἐπὶ συντελείᾳ τῶν αἰώνων εἰς ἀθέτησιν τῆς ἁμαρτίας διὰ τῆς θυσίας αὐτοῦ πεφανέρωται."
Translation: "He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."


Morphology:
ἅπαξ (hapax): Adverb (once).
πεφανέρωται (pephanerōtai): Verb, Perfect Passive Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He has appeared).

ἀθέτησιν (athētēsin): Noun, Accusative Singular Feminine (putting away).

θυσίας (thysias): Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (sacrifice).

Hebrews 10:10
Greek Text: "ἐν ᾧ θελήματι ἡγιασμένοι ἐσμὲν διὰ τῆς προσφορᾶς τοῦ σώματος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐφάπαξ."
Translation: "By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Morphology:
ἡγιασμένοι (hēgiasmenoi): Verb, Perfect Passive Participle, Nominative Plural Masculine (having been sanctified).

προσφορᾶς (prosphoras): Noun, Genitive Singular Feminine (offering).

σώματος (sōmatos): Noun, Genitive Singular Neuter (body).

ἐφάπαξ (ephapax): Adverb (once for all).


Hebrews 10:12
Greek Text: "αὐτὸς δὲ μιᾷ θυσίᾳ ὑπὲρ ἁμαρτιῶν εἰς τὸ διηνεκὲς ἐκάθισεν ἐν δεξιᾷ τοῦ θεοῦ,"
Translation: "But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God,"

Morphology:
μιᾷ (mia): Adjective, Dative Singular Feminine (one).

θυσίᾳ (thysia): Noun, Dative Singular Feminine (sacrifice).

εἰς τὸ διηνεκές (eis to diēnekes): Prepositional Phrase (forever).

ἐκάθισεν (ekathisen): Verb, Aorist Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He sat down).


Hebrews 10:14
Greek Text: "μιᾷ γὰρ προσφορᾷ τετελείωκεν εἰς τὸ διηνεκὲς τοὺς ἁγιαζομένους."
Translation: "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

Morphology:

μιᾷ (mia): Adjective, Dative Singular Feminine (one).

προσφορᾷ (prosphora): Noun, Dative Singular Feminine (offering).

τετελείωκεν (teteleiōken): Verb, Perfect Active Indicative, 3rd Person Singular (He has perfected).

εἰς τὸ διηνεκές (eis to diēnekes): Prepositional Phrase (forever).
ἁγιαζομένους (hagiazomenous): Verb, Present Passive Participle, Accusative Plural Masculine (those who are being sanctified).

Summary
These passages from Hebrews consistently emphasize that Jesus' death was a one-time, all-sufficient act for the cleansing of sins. The Greek terms such as ἐφάπαξ (ephapax) and ἅπαξ (hapax), meaning "once for all" and "once," respectively, reinforce the finality and completeness of His sacrifice. This theological point is central to the understanding of Jesus' work on the cross in the New Testament.

Question-just in case you think I am not familiar with the Koine Greek-


How many Perfect Tenses do you notice here? And what is the Perfect Tense?

How do you answer @Keiw1?
Acts 3:19 clearly shows they are reasoning falsely on the matter of sin. None who practice sin are covered by Jesus death=99% on earth.
 
Acts 3:19 clearly shows they are reasoning falsely on the matter of sin. None who practice sin are covered by Jesus death=99% on earth.
Applicable and is efficacious to ma'aminim only-

Act 3:19 "Therefore, make teshuva (repentance, turning from chet [sin] to G-d) and turn in order that your chatta'im, your averos (sins) may be removed, [TEHILLIM 51:1; YESHAYAH 43:25; 44:22]

You are taking this verse out of context and build your presuppositions "in it" Defective "one verse theology" I'm afraid to say.

Johann.
 
Applicable and is efficacious to ma'aminim only-

Act 3:19 "Therefore, make teshuva (repentance, turning from chet [sin] to G-d) and turn in order that your chatta'im, your averos (sins) may be removed, [TEHILLIM 51:1; YESHAYAH 43:25; 44:22]

You are taking this verse out of context and build your presuppositions "in it" Defective "one verse theology" I'm afraid to say.

Johann.
Jesus tells all-Matt 7:21-23--No matter what they think they do for Jesus if they practice a sin( work iniquity) they will hear these words as judgement--Get away from me you who work iniquity( practice a sin) i must confess i never even knew you. So no all sin is not covered. You do not want to find out the hard way. You need a new mentor, yours is in total error.
 
Summary
These passages from Hebrews consistently emphasize that Jesus' death was a one-time, all-sufficient act for the cleansing of sins. The Greek terms such as ἐφάπαξ (ephapax) and ἅπαξ (hapax), meaning "once for all" and "once,"
yes, sins that are past. scripture, Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

well, what about the sins of the future ...... in Christ? the NT Covenant cover this, scripture, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

so, is there a second cleaning, for the remission of Sins? for 1 John 1:9 is a clear reception of sins in the future in Christ where one is cleansed and forgiven of sins.

101G.
 
yes, sins that are past. scripture, Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

well, what about the sins of the future ...... in Christ? the NT Covenant cover this, scripture, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

so, is there a second cleaning, for the remission of Sins? for 1 John 1:9 is a clear reception of sins in the future in Christ where one is cleansed and forgiven of sins.

101G.
Always opening a can of worms @101G

Are you saying Christ's substitutionary work at Calvary was NOT efficacious enough to deal with believers "future sins"


Hebrews 10:10 (NIV):

"And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
This verse emphasizes the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice, suggesting that it is sufficient to make believers holy once for all time.
1 Peter 3:18 (NIV):

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."
This verse highlights the substitutionary nature of Christ's sacrifice for sins, emphasizing that He suffered once for all sins.
Hebrews 9:26 (NIV):

"Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself."
This verse underscores the finality and completeness of Christ's sacrifice, suggesting that it is sufficient to do away with sin once for all.
Romans 6:10 (NIV):

"The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God."
This verse emphasizes that Christ's death was a once-for-all event, indicating its sufficiency to deal with sin in its entirety.

Colossians 2:13-14 (NIV):

"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."

This passage speaks of the complete forgiveness of sins through Christ's work on the cross, suggesting that all sins—past, present, and future—are dealt with through His sacrifice.

These verses are often interpreted within the context of the broader biblical teaching on the sufficiency and completeness of Christ's atoning work for the forgiveness of sins.

As for the "second cleansing--" Whatever THAT is---



1 John 1:8 (LEB)
Syntactic Force Parsing:

"If we say" → Conditional clause indicating a hypothetical situation.
"that we have no sin" → Complement clause specifying the content of the statement.
"we deceive ourselves" → Main clause indicating the consequence of the hypothetical statement.
"and the truth is not in us" → Coordination with the main clause, further consequence of the hypothetical statement.
Morphological Analysis:

"we" → First-person plural pronoun.
"say" → Present active indicative verb.
"that" → Subordinating conjunction.
"have" → Present active indicative verb.
"no" → Negative particle.
"sin" → Noun, accusative singular.
"ourselves" → Reflexive pronoun.
"and" → Coordinating conjunction.
"the" → Definite article.
"truth" → Noun, nominative singular.
"is not in us" → Verb phrase indicating absence.
Meaning:

This verse presents a conditional statement: if we claim to be without sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
It highlights the importance of acknowledging one's sinfulness and the danger of self-deception if one denies their sinfulness.

Context:
The context of 1 John 1:8-9 is within John's epistle addressing issues related to fellowship with God, assurance of salvation, and the nature of sin.
John emphasizes the need for believers to acknowledge their sinfulness and not deceive themselves into thinking they are without sin.
This acknowledgment of sin sets the stage for the following verse, which provides the remedy for sin through confession and God's forgiveness.
1 John 1:9 (LEB)
Syntactic Force Parsing:

"If we confess our sins" → Conditional clause indicating a necessary action.
"he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins" → Main clause indicating the consequence of confession.
"and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" → Coordination with the main clause, additional consequence of confession.
Morphological Analysis:

"we" → First-person plural pronoun.
"confess" → Present active indicative verb.
"our" → First-person plural possessive pronoun.
"sins" → Noun, accusative plural.
"he" → Third-person singular pronoun.
"is" → Present active indicative verb.
"faithful" → Adjective.
"and" → Coordinating conjunction.
"just" → Adjective.
"to" → Preposition.
"forgive" → Aorist active infinitive verb.
"us" → First-person plural pronoun.
"and" → Coordinating conjunction.
"to" → Preposition.
"cleanse" → Aorist active infinitive verb.
"us" → First-person plural pronoun.
"from" → Preposition.
"all" → Adjective.
"unrighteousness" → Noun, genitive singular.
Meaning:

This verse presents a conditional statement: if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
It highlights the assurance of forgiveness and cleansing that believers receive when they confess their sins to God.
Context:
The context of 1 John 1:9 continues from the preceding verse, emphasizing the importance of confession in the believer's relationship with God.
John assures believers that if they confess their sins, God is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse them from all unrighteousness.
This verse underscores the grace and mercy of God in response to sincere confession and repentance.


Aorist Tense:
The Aorist tense in Greek is often described as the "simple past" tense. However, its meaning goes beyond mere past time; it typically portrays an action as a whole, without specifying its duration or repetition. It's used to describe a completed action or event.
Active Voice:
The Active voice indicates that the subject of the verb performs the action. In this case, the subject (usually "he" or "we" in 1 John 1:9) is performing the action of the verb.
Infinitive Form:
The Infinitive form of the verb is its basic, unconjugated form. It often functions as a verbal noun, expressing the idea of the action without indicating person, number, or tense.
Overall Meaning:
So, when we see the Aorist active infinitive verb in a passage like 1 John 1:9, such as "to forgive" and "to cleanse," it indicates that the action of forgiving and cleansing is portrayed as a single, completed event.
In this verse, it emphasizes the completeness and effectiveness of God's forgiveness and cleansing when believers confess their sins. It suggests that forgiveness and cleansing occur decisively and fully at the moment of confession, without ongoing repetition or duration.

I have news for you @101G willful, continual sinning, living in a state of sin is foreign to believers IN Christ Jesus, a caricature and indicative that such a person was never reborn in the first place and yes, I believe Jesus dealt with the "sin problem" once, and once for all-past, present and future.


Please read Rom 6, 7 and 8 and don't show me one or two verses-out of context.

I am not going to waste my Sunday having a to and fro with you

Thanks
Johann.
 
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Are you saying Christ's substitutionary work at Calvary was NOT efficacious enough to deal with believers "future sins"
well then, why do you need a Mediator? 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

well if one sin .... according to you PSA cover you ... right? the U don't need the advocate. ..... right?
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."
This verse highlights the substitutionary nature of Christ's sacrifice for sins, emphasizing that He suffered once for all sins.
yes, sins that are past ... before one come to christ..... now what about the sins in Christ.? we confess them up because of PSA. scripture, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." BINGO.
"If we confess our sins" → Conditional clause indicating a necessary action.
"he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins" → Main clause indicating the consequence of confession.
"and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" → Coordination with the main clause, additional consequence of confession.
what happens if you don't? ..... (smile)
This verse presents a conditional statement: if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
It highlights the assurance of forgiveness and cleansing that believers receive when they confess their sins to God.
Context:
The context of 1 John 1:9 continues from the preceding verse, emphasizing the importance of confession in the believer's relationship with God.
relationship? ... or FELLOWSHIP.
I have news for you @101G willful, continual sinning, living in a state of sin is foreign to believers IN Christ Jesus, a caricature and indicative that such a person was never reborn in the first place and yes, I believe Jesus dealt with the "sin problem" once, and once for all-past, present and future.
I have to disagree with you there. question, "was peter saved?" yes. did not God directly tell him that the gentiles was clean also? .. just before he went to Cornelius house. now this, Galatians 2:11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." Galatians 2:12 "For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." Galatians 2:13 "And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation." Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

was peter right? no he was in the wrong. did not God tell him the Gentiles was clean? so he disobeyed God. anything done without FAITH is ... "Sin" Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." so you can try something else.

101G.
 
well then, why do you need a Mediator? 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

well if one sin .... according to you PSA cover you ... right? the U don't need the advocate. ..... right?
Don't misconstrue my words and don't assume what I believe.
yes, sins that are past ... before one come to christ..... now what about the sins in Christ.? we confess them up because of PSA. scripture, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." BINGO.
So what?
what happens if you don't? ..... (smile)
Taking snippets out of my post, misconstruing the post.
I have to disagree with you there. question, "was peter saved?" yes. did not God directly tell him that the gentiles was clean also? .. just before he went to Cornelius house. now this, Galatians 2:11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." Galatians 2:12 "For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." Galatians 2:13 "And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation." Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?"

was peter right? no he was in the wrong. did not God tell him the Gentiles was clean? so he disobeyed God. anything done without FAITH is ... "Sin" Romans 14:23 "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." so you can try something else.
I have news for you @101G willful, continual sinning, living in a state of sin is foreign to believers IN Christ Jesus, a caricature and indicative that such a person was never reborn in the first place and yes, I believe Jesus dealt with the "sin problem" once, and once for all-past, present and future.

It is me disagreeing with you-please don't assume to "correct me if you can't even read the above, bolded lines.
Thanks.
 
yes, sins that are past. scripture, Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

well, what about the sins of the future ...... in Christ? the NT Covenant cover this, scripture, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

so, is there a second cleaning, for the remission of Sins? for 1 John 1:9 is a clear reception of sins in the future in Christ where one is cleansed and forgiven of sins.

101G.
All die and pay the wages of their own sins. Even the righteous. Jesus, death did not cover that judgement. With the exception of the remaining little flock who get changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation, and the great crowd who are brought through Harmageddon on earth may never taste death, they still must pass when satan is loosed for a little while.
 
All die and pay the wages of their own sins. Even the righteous. Jesus, death did not cover that judgement. With the exception of the remaining little flock who get changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation, and the great crowd who are brought through Harmageddon on earth may never taste death, they still must pass when satan is loosed for a little while.
All die and pay the wages of their own sins. so they raised up their own self? .... no, though so.

try again.

101G
 
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