27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one week.

The Rogue Tomato

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Okay, my reference here is the popular idea of there being a future 7 years, in the midst of which, blah, blah, blah.

So, assuming that is correct, do you think we'd know of any covenant made with many (many who?) for 7 years? I mean, I don't care if you believe pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, pre-wrath... almost everyone who can read knows about this prophecy, so would they make such a covenant public? Seems like a bad idea, to me, but I'm not sure it would be possible to hide it.

Just throwing some spitballs here.
 
Some kind of world-wide peace treaty that halfway through will turn into a dictatorship.

Similar things have happened on a smaller scale.
 
Okay, my reference here is the popular idea of there being a future 7 years, in the midst of which, blah, blah, blah.

So, assuming that is correct, do you think we'd know of any covenant made with many (many who?) for 7 years? I mean, I don't care if you believe pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, pre-wrath... almost everyone who can read knows about this prophecy, so would they make such a covenant public? Seems like a bad idea, to me, but I'm not sure it would be possible to hide it.

Just throwing some spitballs here.
What I consider 'popular' about the idea doesn't really follow the written Bible Scripture about it, but instead is pushed by doctrines of men.

The 'covenant' referred to in Daniel 9:27 is actually the "league" which the "vile person" (coming Antichrist) makes with the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem, per Daniel 11. Might it involve nations around Jerusalem? Probably, but it doesn't really say anything about that. Only by keeping to the flow of those verses about the "vile person" will this be understood...

Dan 11:21-31
21 And in his estate shall stand up
a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Like we were told in Dan.8, that's the "little horn" that represents the coming Antichrist for the end of this world, who will destroy using 'peace'. Some try to say Antiochus IV back in 170 B.C. already fulfilled this, but Antiochus did not come to power at Jerusalem using 'peace', but instead by conquering it with an army. This "vile person" instead will come to power using flatteries and by peace, which is pointing to the final Antichrist at the end.

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

23 And after
the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

That "league" is the 'covenant' made of Dan.9:27. Per the above, it is made with a small group. I see that pointing directly to the unbelieving Jews, like old Israel's scribes and Pharisees that sought to kill Lord Jesus, those whom Lord Jesus called the "synagogue of Satan" who say they are Jews, but are not, pointing to the devil's own servants that crept in among Judah long ago.

That "league" further on is revealed to be a re-establishing of old covenant worship in Jerusalem by the orthodox Jews.

This might be difficult for many to understand:
The coming Antichrist is not coming like one of the old beast kings of history. He is coming to play our Lord Jesus Christ, with the power to do great signs, wonders, and miracles on earth like Lord Jesus did. Lord Jesus pointed to him as a singular pseudo-Christ. This is why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined the Matthew 24:24 phrase "false Christs" as 'a spurious Messiah' (NT:5580), meaning a singular 'false-Messiah'.

The requirement for one to be The Messiah (The Christ) per God's Word is what? Just someone saying they are The Christ? No. Just someone that can work miracles? No, because so did Christ's Apostles through the power of God work miracles. And the coming "another beast" (Antichrist) also is to work miracles. What then identifies... The Messiah to the Jew? God's Word requires that Messiah is born of the seed of David of the tribe of Judah, just like Lord Jesus was when He came in the flesh, but those Jews didn't believe Jesus was
The Christ of the house of David.

Recall what Jesus said to those unbelieving Jews...

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

Lord Jesus in the above was kind of foretelling how those unbelieving Jews that rejected Him will believe on the coming false-Messiah that God is sending them at the end of this world.

This is something I strongly believe that 'small people', or small group of Jews in Jerusalem at the end will 'secretly' agree on involving that "league", with promoting that coming false-Messiah as the True Messiah. That will deceive the unbelieving Jews, for they will believe Messiah of The Bible has finally come. The orthodox Jews have been promoting Messiah's coming to many Christian Churches today, inviting them to come join with them in Jerusalem! Problem with that though is, that false-Messiah will NOT be our Lord Jesus. The first supernatural Messiah coming to work miracles on earth will be a FAKE. Our Lord Jesus comes afterwards to destroy that false-Messiah (2 Thess.2:3-9).

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches;
and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

That reveals the old covenant will be re-established for the end of this world in Jerusalem. That is what that "holy covenant" is pointing to here.

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore
he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

The "vile person" (Antichrist) will eventually be against the re-establishing of the old covenant worship. The next verse reveals that a Jewish temple will exist along with the daily sacrifices style worship of the old covenant being re-established in Jerusalem, for these Scriptures about the "vile person" are actually about the end of this world...

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

That is the "abomination of desolation" that Lord Jesus warned about in His Olivet discourse when giving the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future coming.

Per the Matthew 24:15-21 verses, Jesus revealed when that "abomination of desolation" idol is standing in the holy place (in the temple), that is when the time of "great tribulation" will begin.

For that event to happen at the end, like this Dan.11 prophecy is showing, a new Jewish temple must be built by the Jews in today's Jerusalem, and old covenant worship with the old temple worship and the daily sacrifices must be on-going. It's already been planned by the Jews in Jerusalem, brethren.
 
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