Worshiping Jesus allowed (July 1, 1879 - December 31, 1953) <--> Worshiping Jesus not allowed (January 1, 1954 - the Present)

Fred

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The Jehovah's Witnesses used to teach it was proper to worship the Lord Jesus.
This changed on January 1, 1954.


January 1, 1954
The Watchtower: Consequently, since the Scriptures teach that Jesus Christ is not a trinitarian co-person with God the Father, but is a distinct person, the Son of God, the answer to the above question must be that no distinct worship is to be rendered to Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven. Our worship is to go to Jehovah God. However, we show the proper regard for God’s only-begotten Son by rendering our worship to God through and in the name of Jesus Christ. Even now when we kneel in prayer, as Paul did according to Ephesians 3:14-19, we offer prayer in the name of Jesus Christ in obedience to his own directions (John 15:16; 16:23-26), but the prayer itself is addressed, not to Jesus, but to God his Father. (Questions From Readers, January 1, 1954, page 31)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954008

"Prayer is part of our worship"
1. The Watchtower: As the true and living God, Jehovah wants us to pray to Him, not to someone else. Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah. (Matt. 4:10) (How to Pray and Be Heard by God, May 15, 1969, page 293)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1969361
2. The Watchtower: Should Christians pray to Jesus Christ? No. (Do You Remember?, June 15, 2015, page 32)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015450

Worship
1. Awake!: Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. (My Sikh Heritage—And My Search for Truth, December 22, 1987, page 22) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987926
2. Awake!: The Bible shows that we should worship God alone. (Not Everything Called "Christian" Is Approved by God, January 8, 1973, page 28)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101973008

Before 1954
Charles Taze Russell (1879-1916)

Watch Tower Reprints: Prayer, it was shown, consists not merely of petition or request, but as a general term also includes invocation, adoration, communion and thanksgiving. It was pointed out that the prayers of "babes in Christ" are usually requests for earthly favors and blessings, whereas the advanced Christian rarely requests earthly favors. His prayers are usually thank offerings and communion seasons--telling the Lord (the Father or the Son, either or both, for the Father, as well as the Son, loves us;--John 16:27--and we have promise of communion with both;--John 14:23--both are to be worshiped and loved equally, for "all men should honor the Son even as they honor the Father;" --John 5:23 (Our Chicago Convention , September 1893, Vol. 14, No. 17, 18, page 1580-1581)

Joseph Rutheford (1917-1942)
Vindication, vol. 3: The princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ. (c. 1932, page 295)

Nathan Knorr (1942-1977)
The Watchtower: While there in Jerusalem Simeon the man of God, and the aged prophetess Anna, blessed and worshiped this Son of God. (Mary, the Mother of Jesus, August 15, 1950, page 266)


Praying to/worshiping Jesus after 1954 - the light of praying to and worshiping the Lord Jesus can never be extinguished.
1959
Acts 7:59

As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086

It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses today to affirm that Stephen was experiencing a vision, so it really doesn't constitute him praying to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Though some claim that prayer may properly be addressed to others, such as to God’s Son, the evidence is emphatically to the contrary. True, there are rare instances in which words are addressed to Jesus Christ in heaven. Stephen, when about to die, appealed to Jesus, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Ac 7:59) However, the context reveals a circumstance giving basis for this exceptional expression. Stephen at that very time had a vision of “Jesus standing at God’s right hand,” and evidently reacting as if he were in Jesus’ personal presence, he felt free to speak this plea to the one whom he recognized as the head of the Christian congregation. (Ac 7:55, 56; Col 1:18) (Prayer, volume 2, page 667-668)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003543

It is important to point out that the vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place after Stephen was cast outside of the city.
Acts 7:58-59
(58) After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul.
(59) As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal" "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Jehovah's Witnesses contradict themselves because they affirm what Isaiah experienced was a vision, but also say that he "prayed".
Insight on the Scriptures: Visions from God were also received by such Bible writers as Isaiah (1:1; 6:1-13), Amos (7:1-9, 12; 8:1, 2), and Ezekiel (1:1). (Vision, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 1159)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004564

Awake!—1987: How I longed to make known this good news to the grief-stricken people of Cambodia! This good news would offer them an unfailing hope and a wonderful goal in life. Since it was not possible to return to that country, I did my best to publish the good news to Cambodians living in Austria. I prayed as Isaiah did, "Here I am! Send me." hoping that Jehovah would use me to help my fellow countrymen.—Isaiah 6:8. (Cambodia—Surviving a Nightmare, February 22, 1987, page 19)

1971
The Watchtower: You can be helpful to those doing shepherding and teaching work; you can aid others in their worship and service to God and Christ; you can make known the good news to others. (The Christian Ministry—What Does It Include?, August 1, 1971, page 459).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1971562

1976
Asking in prayer that the Father and the Lord Jesus bless others.
The Watchtower: Jehovah God, the God of truth, has given us his solemn “word,” and “none that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” (Rom. 10:11) May He and his son richly bless you, and may you continue serving faithfully, now and to all future time. (A Solid Basis for Confidence, July 15, 1976, page 443)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1976525

The Watchtower: Though the book of Revelation is largely symbolic, there is truly much food for thought and fine counsel and encouragement in its plain statements. In particular are its messages to the seven congregations in Asia Minor very beneficial. Also, repeatedly we find the need of endurance stressed and the bright hope given of the eventual triumph of righteousness. (Rev. 1:9; 2:3, 19; 3:10; 13:10; 14:12) Also, throughout, it tells of or calls for worship, praise, and honor to be given to the Creator, Jehovah God, and to the Lamb. (A Revelation—of Jehovah's Will and Purposes, November 15, 1976, page 700)

1984
Thomas was a worshiper of the Lord Jesus.
John 20:28
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (NWT)
The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God." (The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984081

1988
Insight on the Scriptures: Paul's statement at 1 Corinthians 14:15 concerning singing appears to indicate that it was a regular feature of Christian worship. In recording his inspired vision, John tells of various heavenly creatures singing to God and Christ.—(Re 5:8-10 14:3; 15:2-4) (Music, January 1, 1988, page 453).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003137

Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!: Thus, with John, we fervently pray: "Amen! Come, Lord Jesus." (Revelation and You, c. 1988, page 319)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988044

1989
Reasoning From the Scriptures:
Unify all creation in worship of the one true God
Rev. 5:13..."And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying: 'To the One sitting on the throne [Jehovah God] and to the Lamb [Jesus Christ] be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.'" (Kingdom, January 1, 1989, page 228)

1990
All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial: Paul expresses the prayer that the Lord of peace may give them "peace constantly in every way," and he concludes his letter with greetings in his own hand—2 Thess. 3:16. (Bible Book Number 53—2 Thessalonians, January 1, 1990, page 233).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990114

The "Lord of peace" to whom Paul expresses this "prayer" is the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: Even as Jehovah is the God of peace, so his Son, Jesus Christ, is the "Prince of peace," and the "Lord of peace." (Isa. 9:6; 2 Thess. 3:16) (The Christians' Possession of Peace, August 15, 1966, page 486)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1966601

1991
1 Thessalonians 3:11-13

(11) Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus make a way for us to come to you.
(12) Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, to abound in love for one another and for all, just as we do for you,
(13) so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones. (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The apostle prayed that they abound in love and that their hearts be made firm. (Be Ready for Jehovah's Day!, January 15, 1991, page 22)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1991047

The "Lord" to whom the apostle prayed is the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Other references to Christ's presence generally present encouragement to faithfulness and endurance until and during that time.- 1 Th 2:19; 3:12, 13; Jas 5:7, 8, 1 Jo 2:28. (Presence, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 679)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003548

1998
The Watchtower: Just as a considerate father would help his young son to walk with him, Jehovah has given us the best possible aid. He sent his only-begotten Son to the earth. In every step of his lifelong walk here on earth, Jesus Christ perfectly reflected his heavenly Father. (John 14:9, 10; Hebrews 1:3) So in order to walk with God, we need to walk with Jesus. (‘Go On Walking in Union With Christ’, June 1, 1998, page 9)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1998403

The Watchtower: Also urging prayer upon us are the many Scriptural injunctions and expressions that imply prayer. Only by prayer can we keep "calling upon the Father." Only by prayer can we 'throw our burden upon Jehovah, letting him sustain us.' And for us to 'trust in Jehovah with all our hearts' and for us to 'take notice of him in all our ways' we must come to him in prayer as well as search his Word. Nor can we 'walk humbly with our God' without prayer; for who does not engage in conversation with one with whom he is walking; and what is prayer but talking with God? ("Be Vigilant with a View to Prayers," August 15, 1958, page 501)

2022
The Watchtower: In his prehuman existence, Jesus was "a god," or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.—John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. (Jesus—Who Is He?, July 15, 1988, page 6)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988521

Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!: Worship may be defined as "the act of showing respect and love for a god." (What Is Worship?, Teaching Box 1A, October 1, 2018, page 10)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017920

Examining the Scriptures Daily—2022: As we meditate on the Bible accounts of Jesus’ life, we come to love and respect Jesus because of the kind way he dealt with people. (Sunday, September 4, 2022, page 89)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102022208
 
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The Jehovah's Witnesses used to teach it was proper to worship the Lord Jesus.
This changed on January 1, 1954.


January 1, 1954
The Watchtower: Consequently, since the Scriptures teach that Jesus Christ is not a trinitarian co-person with God the Father, but is a distinct person, the Son of God, the answer to the above question must be that no distinct worship is to be rendered to Jesus Christ now glorified in heaven. Our worship is to go to Jehovah God. However, we show the proper regard for God’s only-begotten Son by rendering our worship to God through and in the name of Jesus Christ. Even now when we kneel in prayer, as Paul did according to Ephesians 3:14-19, we offer prayer in the name of Jesus Christ in obedience to his own directions (John 15:16; 16:23-26), but the prayer itself is addressed, not to Jesus, but to God his Father. (Questions From Readers, January 1, 1954, page 31)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954008

"Prayer is part of our worship"
1. The Watchtower: As the true and living God, Jehovah wants us to pray to Him, not to someone else. Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah. (Matt. 4:10) (How to Pray and Be Heard by God, May 15, 1969, page 293)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1969361
2. The Watchtower: Should Christians pray to Jesus Christ? No. (Do You Remember?, June 15, 2015, page 32)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015450

Worship
1. Awake!: Jehovah’s Witnesses do not worship Jesus. (My Sikh Heritage—And My Search for Truth, December 22, 1987, page 22) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987926
2. Awake!: The Bible shows that we should worship God alone. (Not Everything Called "Christian" Is Approved by God, January 8, 1973, page 28)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101973008

Before 1954
Charles Taze Russell (1879-1916)

Watch Tower Reprints: Prayer, it was shown, consists not merely of petition or request, but as a general term also includes invocation, adoration, communion and thanksgiving. It was pointed out that the prayers of "babes in Christ" are usually requests for earthly favors and blessings, whereas the advanced Christian rarely requests earthly favors. His prayers are usually thank offerings and communion seasons--telling the Lord (the Father or the Son, either or both, for the Father, as well as the Son, loves us;--John 16:27--and we have promise of communion with both;--John 14:23--both are to be worshiped and loved equally, for "all men should honor the Son even as they honor the Father;" --John 5:23 (Our Chicago Convention , September 1893, Vol. 14, No. 17, 18, page 1580-1581)

Joseph Rutheford (1917-1942)
Vindication, vol. 3: The princes will lead the people in their worship of Jehovah and of Christ. (c. 1932, page 295)

Nathan Knorr (1942-1977)
The Watchtower: While there in Jerusalem Simeon the man of God, and the aged prophetess Anna, blessed and worshiped this Son of God. (Mary, the Mother of Jesus, August 15, 1950, page 266)


Praying to/worshiping Jesus after 1954 - the light of praying to and worshiping the Lord Jesus can never be extinguished.
1959
Acts 7:59

As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086

It is common for Jehovah's Witnesses today to affirm that Stephen was experiencing a vision, so it really doesn't constitute him praying to the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Though some claim that prayer may properly be addressed to others, such as to God’s Son, the evidence is emphatically to the contrary. True, there are rare instances in which words are addressed to Jesus Christ in heaven. Stephen, when about to die, appealed to Jesus, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Ac 7:59) However, the context reveals a circumstance giving basis for this exceptional expression. Stephen at that very time had a vision of “Jesus standing at God’s right hand,” and evidently reacting as if he were in Jesus’ personal presence, he felt free to speak this plea to the one whom he recognized as the head of the Christian congregation. (Ac 7:55, 56; Col 1:18) (Prayer, volume 2, page 667-668)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003543

It is important to point out that the vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place after Stephen was cast outside of the city.
Acts 7:58-59
(58) After throwing him outside the city, they began stoning him. The witnesses laid down their outer garments at the feet of a young man called Saul.
(59) As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal" "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Jehovah's Witnesses contradict themselves because they affirm what Isaiah experienced was a vision, but also say that he "prayed".
Insight on the Scriptures: Visions from God were also received by such Bible writers as Isaiah (1:1; 6:1-13), Amos (7:1-9, 12; 8:1, 2), and Ezekiel (1:1). (Vision, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 1159)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004564

Awake!—1987: How I longed to make known this good news to the grief-stricken people of Cambodia! This good news would offer them an unfailing hope and a wonderful goal in life. Since it was not possible to return to that country, I did my best to publish the good news to Cambodians living in Austria. I prayed as Isaiah did, "Here I am! Send me." hoping that Jehovah would use me to help my fellow countrymen.—Isaiah 6:8. (Cambodia—Surviving a Nightmare, February 22, 1987, page 19)

1971
The Watchtower: You can be helpful to those doing shepherding and teaching work; you can aid others in their worship and service to God and Christ; you can make known the good news to others. (The Christian Ministry—What Does It Include?, August 1, 1971, page 459).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1971562

1976
Asking in prayer that the Father and the Lord Jesus bless others.
The Watchtower: Jehovah God, the God of truth, has given us his solemn “word,” and “none that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” (Rom. 10:11) May He and his son richly bless you, and may you continue serving faithfully, now and to all future time. (A Solid Basis for Confidence, July 15, 1976, page 443)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1976525

The Watchtower: Though the book of Revelation is largely symbolic, there is truly much food for thought and fine counsel and encouragement in its plain statements. In particular are its messages to the seven congregations in Asia Minor very beneficial. Also, repeatedly we find the need of endurance stressed and the bright hope given of the eventual triumph of righteousness. (Rev. 1:9; 2:3, 19; 3:10; 13:10; 14:12) Also, throughout, it tells of or calls for worship, praise, and honor to be given to the Creator, Jehovah God, and to the Lamb. (A Revelation—of Jehovah's Will and Purposes, November 15, 1976, page 700)

1984
Thomas was a worshiper of the Lord Jesus.
John 20:28
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (NWT)
The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God." (The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984081

1988
Insight on the Scriptures: Paul's statement at 1 Corinthians 14:15 concerning singing appears to indicate that it was a regular feature of Christian worship. In recording his inspired vision, John tells of various heavenly creatures singing to God and Christ.—(Re 5:8-10 14:3; 15:2-4) (Music, January 1, 1988, page 453).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003137

Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!: Thus, with John, we fervently pray: "Amen! Come, Lord Jesus." (Revelation and You, c. 1988, page 319)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988044

1989
Reasoning From the Scriptures:
Unify all creation in worship of the one true God
Rev. 5:13..."And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying: 'To the One sitting on the throne [Jehovah God] and to the Lamb [Jesus Christ] be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.'" (Kingdom, January 1, 1989, page 228)

1990
All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial: Paul expresses the prayer that the Lord of peace may give them "peace constantly in every way," and he concludes his letter with greetings in his own hand—2 Thess. 3:16. (Bible Book Number 53—2 Thessalonians, January 1, 1990, page 233).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101990114

The "Lord of peace" to whom Paul expresses this "prayer" is the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: Even as Jehovah is the God of peace, so his Son, Jesus Christ, is the "Prince of peace," and the "Lord of peace." (Isa. 9:6; 2 Thess. 3:16) (The Christians' Possession of Peace, August 15, 1966, page 486)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1966601

1991
1 Thessalonians 3:11-13

(11) Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus make a way for us to come to you.
(12) Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, to abound in love for one another and for all, just as we do for you,
(13) so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones. (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

The Watchtower: The apostle prayed that they abound in love and that their hearts be made firm. (Be Ready for Jehovah's Day!, January 15, 1991, page 22)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1991047

The "Lord" to whom the apostle prayed is the Lord Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Other references to Christ's presence generally present encouragement to faithfulness and endurance until and during that time.- 1 Th 2:19; 3:12, 13; Jas 5:7, 8, 1 Jo 2:28. (Presence, volume 2, January 1, 1988, page 679)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003548

1998
The Watchtower: Just as a considerate father would help his young son to walk with him, Jehovah has given us the best possible aid. He sent his only-begotten Son to the earth. In every step of his lifelong walk here on earth, Jesus Christ perfectly reflected his heavenly Father. (John 14:9, 10; Hebrews 1:3) So in order to walk with God, we need to walk with Jesus. (‘Go On Walking in Union With Christ’, June 1, 1998, page 9)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1998403

The Watchtower: Also urging prayer upon us are the many Scriptural injunctions and expressions that imply prayer. Only by prayer can we keep "calling upon the Father." Only by prayer can we 'throw our burden upon Jehovah, letting him sustain us.' And for us to 'trust in Jehovah with all our hearts' and for us to 'take notice of him in all our ways' we must come to him in prayer as well as search his Word. Nor can we 'walk humbly with our God' without prayer; for who does not engage in conversation with one with whom he is walking; and what is prayer but talking with God? ("Be Vigilant with a View to Prayers," August 15, 1958, page 501)

2022
The Watchtower: In his prehuman existence, Jesus was "a god," or divine one, but not the God, the almighty God Jehovah.—John 1:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16. (Jesus—Who Is He?, July 15, 1988, page 6)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988521

Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!: Worship may be defined as "the act of showing respect and love for a god." (What Is Worship?, Teaching Box 1A, October 1, 2018, page 10)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017920

Examining the Scriptures Daily—2022: As we meditate on the Bible accounts of Jesus’ life, we come to love and respect Jesus because of the kind way he dealt with people. (Sunday, September 4, 2022, page 89)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102022208
fact--This deceiver named edit is not showing actual truth. He twists it. No JW on earth worships Jesus.
See how he put small g god under pure worship of Jehovah--when in reality capitol G God is there. Twisting it to his own destruction and anyone who listens. Jesus would tell him-your Father is the edit
 
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fact--This deceiver named edit is not showing actual truth.

I am quoting their own words.

He twists it.

They are the ones who asserted what they did.
You wish to defend their madness no matter what.
Sad.

No JW on earth worships Jesus.

How could you possibly know that?
Many are leaving this heretical cult and it perhaps may be this is one, or one of among several/many reasons, why they are doing so.

It certainly was for Jay Hess:
In the Bible, worship and prayer are consistently linked; consequently Witnesses must also deny that Jesus can be addressed in prayer — contrary to what Russell taught. Clearly, in Scripture Jesus was — and should be —worshiped, and Jesus invited His followers to address Him in prayer — which they did. The testimony of Jay Hess records how a once-dedicated Witness apologist concluded Jesus should be worshiped, which resulted in his disfellowship by the Jehovah’s Witnesses. After further investigation of the Scriptures, he concluded, “I have made Jesus my Lord and my God.”


See how he put small g god under pure worship of Jehovah--when in reality capitol G God is there. Twisting it to his own destruction and anyone who listens.

Another false accusation on your part.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who have the small "g" for "god".
Again, I quoted precisely what they wrote. It is the first sentence right after the title of the article! (click link below)

Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!: Worship may be defined as "the act of showing respect and love for a god." (What Is Worship?, Teaching Box 1A, October 1, 2018, page 10)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017920

Anyone else want to verify this?
Keiw1 is making really awful accusations. That I can take. I have heard and dealt with far worse. But his confusion is really concerning.
 
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I am quoting their own words.



They are the ones who asserted what they did.
You wish to defend their madness no matter what.
Sad.



How could you possibly know that?
Many are leaving this heretical cult and it perhaps may be this is one, or one of among several/many reasons, why they are doing so.

It certainly was for Jay Hess:
In the Bible, worship and prayer are consistently linked; consequently Witnesses must also deny that Jesus can be addressed in prayer — contrary to what Russell taught. Clearly, in Scripture Jesus was — and should be —worshiped, and Jesus invited His followers to address Him in prayer — which they did. The testimony of Jay Hess records how a once-dedicated Witness apologist concluded Jesus should be worshiped, which resulted in his disfellowship by the Jehovah’s Witnesses. After further investigation of the Scriptures, he concluded, “I have made Jesus my Lord and my God.”




Another false accusation on your part.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who have the small "g" for "god".
Again, I quoted precisely what they wrote. It is the first sentence right after the title of the article! (click link below)

Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!: Worship may be defined as "the act of showing respect and love for a god." (What Is Worship?, Teaching Box 1A, October 1, 2018, page 10)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017920

Anyone else want to verify this?
Keiw1 is making really awful accusations. That I can take. I have heard and dealt with far worse. But his confusion is really concerning.
i seriously doubt they would ever use small g god speaking of Jehovah.
 
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In their avoidance to worship Jesus, whenever the Greek word proskyneō (#4352) is used in reference to Jesus, the Jehovah's Witnesses in their New World Translation never render it as "worship" (or any of its derivatives).


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Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witnesses will always associate pelach (#6399) with worship in their writings whenever it is used in the Old Testament - except one time. You guessed it - that is the time it is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in Daniel 7:14.


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Finally, whenever the New Testament speaks of calling on the name of the Lord (or similar expressions) the Jehovah's Witnesses once again avoid any reference to the worship of or praying to the Lord Jesus.
These are the passages it can be found:
Acts 2:21
κυρίου (Lord) is rendered as Jehovah in the New World Translation and the JW's assert this refers to praying to Jehovah.

Acts 9:14
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

Acts 9:21
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

Acts 22:16
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings. Interestingly, in 1955 the JW's applied this passage to "Jehovah God. It's been changed since then to now refer to Jesus.

Romans 10:12
In 1879, Charles Taze Russell affirmed the "Lord" refers to the Lord Jesus. Then, in 1914, it was affirmed this passage refers to prayer. This was later changed to teach God is being referred to and it was associated with prayer (1970, 1976).
However, in 1977 the JW's affirmed they weren't sure to whom the "Lord" refers to in this passage, and that is where it stands today. Although they lean towards God (not Jesus) being referred to.

Romans 10:13
In 1887, Charles Taze Russell affirmed the "Lord" refers to the Lord Jesus. This has been dropped. Today, the JW's render κυρίου as Jehovah in their New World Translation. They also affirm it refers to the worship of Jehovah.

Romans 10:14
In 1888, Charles Taze Russell affirmed this passage refers to the Lord Jesus. However, like with Romans 10:13 this has been dropped. Today, the JW's teach this passage is in reference to the worship of Jehovah.

1 Corinthians 1:2
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

2 Timothy 2:22
The JW's keep "Lord" in their New World Translation. However, they affirm this passage is in reference to praying to Jehovah.

One more passage should be cited.

1 Peter 1:17
The JW's affirm that this refers to praying to the Father.
Thus, if one calls upon the Father that is praying to the Father, but if one calls upon the Lord Jesus they would not be praying to the Lord Jesus.
That's really inconsistent of them.



If anyone is interested in any of the quotes from what I referred to throughout this post just let me know and I can supply them.
 
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In their avoidance to worship Jesus, whenever the Greek word proskyneō (#4352) is used in reference to Jesus, the Jehovah's Witnesses in their New World Translation never render it as "worship" (or any of its derivatives).


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Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witnesses will always associate pelach (#6399) with worship in their writings whenever it is used in the Old Testament - except one time. You guessed it - that is the time it is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in Daniel 7:14.


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Finally, whenever the New Testament speaks of calling on the name of the Lord (or similar expressions) the Jehovah's Witnesses once again avoid any reference to the worship of or praying to the Lord Jesus.
These are the passages it can be found:
Acts 2:21
κυρίου (Lord) is rendered as Jehovah in the New World Translation and the JW's assert this refers to praying to Jehovah.

Acts 9:14
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

Acts 9:21
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

Acts 22:16
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings. Interestingly, in 1955 the JW's applied this passage to "Jehovah God. It's been changed since then to now refer to Jesus.

Romans 10:12
In 1879, Charles Taze Russell affirmed the "Lord" refers to the Lord Jesus. Then, in 1914, it was affirmed this passage refers to prayer. This was later changed to teach God is being referred to and it was associated with prayer (1970, 1976).
However, in 1977 the JW's affirmed they weren't sure to whom the "Lord" refers to in this passage, and that is where it stands today. Although they lean towards God (not Jesus) being referred to.

Romans 10:13
In 1887, Charles Taze Russell affirmed the "Lord" refers to the Lord Jesus. This has been dropped. Today, the JW's render κυρίου as Jehovah in their New World Translation. They also affirm it refers to the worship of Jehovah.

Romans 10:14
In 1888, Charles Taze Russell affirmed this passage refers to the Lord Jesus. However, like with Romans 10:13 this has been dropped. Today, the JW's teach this passage is in reference to the worship of Jehovah.

1 Corinthians 1:2
In reference to Jesus so there is no mention of praying to/worshiping Jesus in their writings.

2 Timothy 2:22
The JW's keep "Lord" in their New World Translation. However, they affirm this passage is in reference to praying to Jehovah.

One more passage should be cited.

1 Peter 1:17
The JW's affirm that this refers to praying to the Father.
Thus, if one calls upon the Father that is praying to the Father, but if one calls upon the Lord Jesus they would not be praying to the Lord Jesus.
That's really inconsistent of them.



If anyone is interested in any of the quotes from what I referred to throughout this post just let me know and I can supply them.
Proskenaue has 5 different translating meanings from Greek to English-1) worship to God-2) obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge, plus 2 others-- The Israelite religion knew 100% The Messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7--100% Fact= God does not have a God--Thus They bowed in Obeisance to Gods appointed king. They did not give him worship, nor did the angels. Its error found in trinity translations by satans will, the same will that had Gods name removed to mislead by the wicked, the wicked keep it out. All translations with Gods name removed supports satans will over Gods will. Who willed his name in over 7000 places because he wants it there. The wise would start asking why they keep his name out against his will.
 
Proskenaue has 5 different translating meanings from Greek to English

And not once would the JW's say it refers to worshiping Jesus.
What a shocker.

They did several times in the past, but when January 1, 1954 rolled around it was a whole new ball game.
 
And not once would the JW's say it refers to worshiping Jesus.
What a shocker.

They did several times in the past, but when January 1, 1954 rolled around it was a whole new ball game.
Because reality = God does not have a God-Jesus has a God, just like us-John 20:17= true light. Hard to find true light in altered versions of the bible.
 
Because reality = God does not have a God-Jesus has a God, just like us-John 20:17

Thomas properly referred to Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28.
You should too.

This also demonstrates Thomas was a worshiper of Jesus.
John 20:28
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (NWT)
The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God." (The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984081
 
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"Prayer is part of our worship"
1. The Watchtower: As the true and living God, Jehovah wants us to pray to Him, not to someone else. Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah. (Matt. 4:10) (How to Pray and Be Heard by God, May 15, 1969, page 293)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1969361


1. God hears prayers because "he truly knows what is in the heart of the sons of mankind."
The Watchtower: Solomon expressed his confidence that God would not only hear their prayers but also act in their behalf. Why? Because he truly knows what is in "the heart of the sons of mankind.” (Jehovah Hears Our Cries for Help, March 15, 2008, page 12)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008203

2. Since the Lord Jesus "truly knows what is in the heart of the sons of mankind" demonstrates He hears prayers.
The Watchtower: Satan and the demons have other limitations. For example, nowhere do the Scriptures indicate that they can read the mind or heart of an individual. Only Jehovah and Jesus are spoken of as having that ability. (1 Sam. 16:7; Mark 2:8) (Know Your Enemy, May 2018, page 26)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2018406

3. These prayers heard by Jesus are also answered by Jesus.
Insight on the Scriptures: Then his disciples would do even greater works, for the reason that Christ would again be with his Father and would answer requests asked in his own name, all for the purpose of bringing glory to the Father.—14:12-14. (John, Good News According to, page 94)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002490

4. Since the Lord Jesus both hears and answers prayer demonstrates He is the Hearer of prayer = the true God.
The Watchtower: The Bible identifies the true God as the “Hearer of prayer.” (Psalm 65:2) (How Some Received Answers, May 1, 2003, page 4)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003321
 
Thomas properly referred to Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28.
You should too.

This also demonstrates Thomas was a worshiper of Jesus.
John 20:28
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (NWT)
The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God." (The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984081
You will find out its not the case. 100% Jesus teaches-The Father is the only true God-- So take your pick Jesus is wrong, or you are twisting what Thomas said by not realizing he had to look to heaven for the term my God. Both of them cannot be correct. 100% Jesus is.
 
I already found out it is the case.

It's so nice seeing the JW's affirm things that they elsewhere deny.

This makes refuting them so easy.
So are you saying Jesus lied? It has to be the case if Thomas is correct in your thinking.?????
 
No, i say he looked to heaven

Your guess.


when he said my God.

You have to keep more up to date with what the JW's teach.

John Study Notes: So Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” for the following reasons: He viewed Jesus as being “a god” though not the almighty God. (See study note on Joh 1:1.) Or he may have addressed Jesus in a manner similar to the way that servants of God addressed angelic messengers of Jehovah, as recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures. Thomas would have been familiar with accounts in which individuals, or at times the Bible writer of the account, responded to or spoke of an angelic messenger as though he were Jehovah God. (Compare Ge 16:7-11, 13; 18:1-5, 22-33; 32:24-30; Jg 6:11-15; 13:20-22.) Therefore, Thomas may have called Jesus “my God” in this sense, acknowledging Jesus as the representative and spokesman of the true God.

Perhaps you prefer this one:
The Watchtower: So if Thomas addressed Jesus as “my God,” Thomas had to recognize Jesus’ Father as the God of a God, hence as a God higher than Jesus Christ, a God whom Jesus himself worshiped. (Source of His Life, October 1, 1962, page 597)
 
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Your guess.




You have to keep more up to date with what the JW's teach.

John Study Notes: So Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” for the following reasons: He viewed Jesus as being “a god” though not the almighty God. (See study note on Joh 1:1.) Or he may have addressed Jesus in a manner similar to the way that servants of God addressed angelic messengers of Jehovah, as recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures. Thomas would have been familiar with accounts in which individuals, or at times the Bible writer of the account, responded to or spoke of an angelic messenger as though he were Jehovah God. (Compare Ge 16:7-11, 13; 18:1-5, 22-33; 32:24-30; Jg 6:11-15; 13:20-22.) Therefore, Thomas may have called Jesus “my God” in this sense, acknowledging Jesus as the representative and spokesman of the true God.

Perhaps you prefer this one:
The Watchtower: So if Thomas addressed Jesus as “my God,” Thomas had to recognize Jesus’ Father as the God of a God, hence as a God higher than Jesus Christ, a God whom Jesus himself worshiped. (Source of His Life, October 1, 1962, page 597)
Bottom line-- We know Jesus is not God, neither did Thomas-Psalm 45:7
 
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