Why The Trinity is Wrong: Lord v LORD

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A vast trinitarian conspiracy rests in confusing lower-case lord with capital LORD. This conspiracy is built on the Jewish text not using God's name YHWH, which is in Scripture some 7,000 times. They replaced the divine name with Adonai and trinitarians replaced that with the title, capital LORD.

Most Bible translations use capital LORD to refer to the God of Jesus, who is the only true God. By contrast, there are dozens of lowercase lords in Scripture. There are some verses who refer to YHWH rightly as lowercase lord. Even Biblegateway.com has participated in this conspiracy, which I wrote them about. When you take a verse from this website with capital LORD it pastes as lowercase lord. A famous example where both are used in one verse is Ps 110:1.

The LORD said to my Lord,

“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand


It pastes from Biblegateway.com as "the Lord said to my Lord." Try the experiment yourself.

In 2020, the verse of the year for me was Ps 82:1 (CEV), which reads.

When all the other gods
have come together,

the Lord God judges them


It is most significant that the existence of other REAL-lowercase gods was used by our lord to justify in John 10 calling himself the son of God by him invoking verse 6. In the CEV translation it reads

“I, the Most High God, say
that all of you are gods

and also my own children.


So, in this verse we have both lowercase and capital version of g-o-d. We must concede there are many gods, including Jesus, who are not the Most High God (capitalized). Let's end on definition

god
1 of 2
noun
ˈgäd also ˈgȯd
plural gods
Synonyms of god
1
God : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a
: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism) as creator and ruler of the universe
Throughout the patristic and medieval periods, Christian theologians taught that God created the universe …
—Jame Schaefer
the Supreme Being or God, the personal form of the Ultimate Reality, is conceived by Hindus as having various aspects.
—Sunita Pant Bansal
b
Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
or less commonly God : a being or object that is worshipped as having more than natural attributes and powers
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4
: a powerful ruler


Lord and god are synonymous titles that mean dominion over an area in sense 4. This is different from sense 1, the Supreme Being, whose name is YHWH- not Jesus. While Jesus is a lord and a god, like many others, he is not our father, the capital LORD. Not once in Scripture is Jesus referred to even in modern English translations a capital LORD. And the simple reason is that he is not God in sense 1. For more information read the book, Jesus is Not God With a Capital "G": A Biblical Unitarian Christological Perspective

I hope this answers @praise_yeshua asked from
 
Ps 110:1.

The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand


Thanks for citing another passage which teaches the Lord Jesus is God.

Psalm 110:1
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

Mark 14:62
And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Daniel 7:13-14
(13) I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming
,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
(14) And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

All the passage above correspond to one another.
The fact that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of pelach ('serve) in Daniel 7:14 demonstrates He is God.

This Aramaic word is properly applied only to the true God or improperly to heathen deities.
Ezra 7:24 – servants of this house of God
Daniel 3:12 – They do not serve your gods
Daniel 3:14 – Is it true…you do not serve my gods
Daniel 3:17 – our God whom we serve
Daniel 3:18 – we are not going to serve your gods
Daniel 3:28 -yielded up their bodies so as not to serve or worship any god except their own God
Daniel 6:16 - your God whom you constantly serve
Daniel 6:20 – your God whom you constantly serve
Daniel 7:14 – serve Him
Daniel 7:27 – all the dominions will serve and obey Him
 
Thanks for citing another passage which teaches the Lord Jesus is God.

Psalm 110:1
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
Huh? You are denying this verse is referring to 2 Beings? You are supposing it is possible to sit at your own right hand? You cannot be serious.
 
Another anti-scriptural trinitarian invention.

Both David (1 Kings 1:16 in DRA, JUB, WYC) and Daniel 2:46, 6:6 were worshipped.

David was not properly worshiped.
Neither the Hebrew word nor the Greek word in the LXX necessitates that he was.


Daniel was improperly worshiped by an unsaved person (Daniel 2:46).
You have to do better than that.

Daniel was not being worshiped in Daniel 6:6, so I don't know what you are talking about.
 
A vast trinitarian conspiracy rests in confusing lower-case lord with capital LORD. This conspiracy is built on the Jewish text not using God's name YHWH, which is in Scripture some 7,000 times. They replaced the divine name with Adonai and trinitarians replaced that with the title, capital LORD.
It was Alexandrian Jews who decided to replace all occurrences of YHWH with the word Lord "κύριος", when they created the Koine Greek OT (LXX).
I would call them Trinitarians only if I would want them to run me out of town. 🤣

That would be better than being stoned, mind you.
Most Bible translations use capital LORD to refer to the God of Jesus, who is the only true God. By contrast, there are dozens of lowercase lords in Scripture. There are some verses who refer to YHWH rightly as lowercase lord. Even Biblegateway.com has participated in this conspiracy, which I wrote them about. When you take a verse from this website with capital LORD it pastes as lowercase lord. A famous example where both are used in one verse is Ps 110:1.

The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
English translations are free to do whatever they want with their text. What we need to do is to consult the Koine Greek OT (LXX) from which the Apostles quoted from when they wrote their Koine Greek NT Epistles.

(Psa 110:1) A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. (KJV)

(Psa 109:1) Τῷ Δαυιδ ψαλμός. Εἶπεν κύριος (The Lord) τῷ κυρίῳ μου (my Lord) Κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου, ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου.

Sounds like God the Father is Lord and God the Son is Lord. Perfect Trinitarian verse.

Side note: at some points in Psalms there is a numbering mismatch between the LXX and KJV.
It pastes from Biblegateway.com as "the Lord said to my Lord." Try the experiment yourself.

In 2020, the verse of the year for me was Ps 82:1 (CEV), which reads.

When all the other gods
have come together,

the Lord God judges them


It is most significant that the existence of other REAL-lowercase gods was used by our lord to justify in John 10 calling himself the son of God by him invoking verse 6. In the CEV translation it reads

“I, the Most High God, say
that all of you are gods

and also my own children.


So, in this verse we have both lowercase and capital version of g-o-d. We must concede there are many gods, including Jesus, who are not the Most High God (capitalized).
(Psa 82:6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (KJV)

(Psa 81:6) ἐγὼ εἶπα Θεοί (gods) ἐστε καὶ υἱοὶ ὑψίστου πάντες

There is no "Most High God" in the LXX, just ἐγὼ (I). KJV follows the LXX.

Side note: at some points in Psalms there is a numbering mismatch between the LXX and KJV.
Let's end on definition

god
1 of 2
noun
ˈgäd also ˈgȯd
plural gods
Synonyms of god
1
God : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a
: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism) as creator and ruler of the universe
Throughout the patristic and medieval periods, Christian theologians taught that God created the universe …
—Jame Schaefer
the Supreme Being or God, the personal form of the Ultimate Reality, is conceived by Hindus as having various aspects.
—Sunita Pant Bansal
b
Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
or less commonly God : a being or object that is worshipped as having more than natural attributes and powers
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4
: a powerful ruler


Lord and god are synonymous titles that mean dominion over an area in sense 4. This is different from sense 1, the Supreme Being, whose name is YHWH- not Jesus.
Actually, it's "gods" (Θεοί) that qualifies for definition #4. Jesus is never called Θεοί "gods". Never!
While Jesus is a lord and a god, like many others, he is not our father, the capital LORD.
Jesus is God (by nature) and Lord (by being God) just like God the Father.
Not once in Scripture is Jesus referred to even in modern English translations a capital LORD.
English translations tend to do whatever they want with their text. Read them at your risk but always consult the Koine Greek text (LXX) whenever reading the OT.
And the simple reason is that he is not God in sense 1.
False. Jesus is Lord "κύριος" just as much as God the Father is Lord "κύριος".
If this book repeats the same mistakes and comes to the same wrong conclusions that you derive, it's not even worth the paper it's written on. I would burn it.
 
A vast trinitarian conspiracy rests in confusing lower-case lord with capital LORD. This conspiracy is built on the Jewish text not using God's name YHWH, which is in Scripture some 7,000 times. They replaced the divine name with Adonai and trinitarians replaced that with the title, capital LORD.

Most Bible translations use capital LORD to refer to the God of Jesus, who is the only true God. By contrast, there are dozens of lowercase lords in Scripture. There are some verses who refer to YHWH rightly as lowercase lord. Even Biblegateway.com has participated in this conspiracy, which I wrote them about. When you take a verse from this website with capital LORD it pastes as lowercase lord. A famous example where both are used in one verse is Ps 110:1.

The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand


It pastes from Biblegateway.com as "the Lord said to my Lord." Try the experiment yourself.

In 2020, the verse of the year for me was Ps 82:1 (CEV), which reads.

When all the other gods
have come together,

the Lord God judges them


It is most significant that the existence of other REAL-lowercase gods was used by our lord to justify in John 10 calling himself the son of God by him invoking verse 6. In the CEV translation it reads

“I, the Most High God, say
that all of you are gods

and also my own children.


So, in this verse we have both lowercase and capital version of g-o-d. We must concede there are many gods, including Jesus, who are not the Most High God (capitalized). Let's end on definition

god
1 of 2
noun
ˈgäd also ˈgȯd
plural gods
Synonyms of god
1
God : the supreme or ultimate reality: such as
a
: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped (as in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism) as creator and ruler of the universe
Throughout the patristic and medieval periods, Christian theologians taught that God created the universe …
—Jame Schaefer
the Supreme Being or God, the personal form of the Ultimate Reality, is conceived by Hindus as having various aspects.
—Sunita Pant Bansal
b
Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
or less commonly God : a being or object that is worshipped as having more than natural attributes and powers
specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
Greek gods of love and war
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
had photos of baseball's gods pinned to his bedroom wall
4
: a powerful ruler


Lord and god are synonymous titles that mean dominion over an area in sense 4. This is different from sense 1, the Supreme Being, whose name is YHWH- not Jesus. While Jesus is a lord and a god, like many others, he is not our father, the capital LORD. Not once in Scripture is Jesus referred to even in modern English translations a capital LORD. And the simple reason is that he is not God in sense 1. For more information read the book, Jesus is Not God With a Capital "G": A Biblical Unitarian Christological Perspective

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t was Alexandrian Jews who decided to replace all occurrences of YHWH with the word Lord "κύριος", when they created the Koine Greek OT (LXX).
That does not excuse why the trinitarian continue to alter YHWH's word removing the author's name 7,000 times.
 
English translations are free to do whatever they want with their text. What we need to do is to consult the Koine Greek OT (LXX) from which the Apostles quoted from when they wrote their Koine Greek NT Epistles.
Really? A re-treat into a foreign language. Another sign you've lost the argument.
 
Sounds like God the Father is Lord and God the Son is Lord. Perfect Trinitarian verse.
Cognitive Dissonance. Notice the absence of the so called 3rd person? This shows trinitarians find 'affirming' verses no matter how many are Lord - 1, 2 or even 'plural.'
 
Actually, it's "gods" (Θεοί) that qualifies for definition #4. Jesus is never called Θεοί "gods". Never!
No. The humility of you supposing you know better than Merriam Webster! A powerful ruler certainly applies as sense 4 for a god. Given that Jesus has been given ALL authority in heaven and Earth, you don't think that qualifies him as a powerful ruler? :eek:

And I think you are missing the point of this threads analysis. Jesus was never called a god but using Ps 82 to defend his use of the term son of god.
 
That does not excuse why the trinitarian continue to alter YHWH's word removing the author's name 7,000 times.
The Apostles gave their stamp of approval when they continued the LXX practice of using the word κύριος. Hey, if it's good enough for the Apostles then it's good enough for me. You need to take up your beef with the Apostles.
 
Jesus is God (by nature) and Lord (by being God) just like God the Father.
Except for the many ways he is not.
  • Jesus died
  • God is greater than Jesus
  • God knows more than Jesus
  • Jesus was raised from the dead by God
  • God sent Jesus
  • God told Jesus what to say
  • Jesus has a God
 
False. Jesus is Lord "κύριος" just as much as God the Father is Lord "κύριος".
Inequality is not determined by having one thing in common but having things not in common.

Without following your retreat into a foreign language, there are many 'lords' in Scripture including Jesus and YHWH but there is only one capital LORD, which exclusively applies to YWHW and not Jesus.
 
Cognitive Dissonance. Notice the absence of the so called 3rd person? This shows trinitarians find 'affirming' verses no matter how many are Lord - 1, 2 or even 'plural.'
The same applies to the Holy Spirit. He is also κύριος, in every which way as is the Father and the Son. Trinitarianism is perfectly logical as opposed to Arianism which butchers the original Greek scriptures.
 
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