Why Nobody Graduates From The Bible?

[Peterlag]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix atooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Aeliana]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix atooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

To me "abide" in Christ means to live my life in Him. To maintain a continuous, trusting, and intimate relationship with Jesus, like a branch nourished by a vine. It involves receiving His life and power, remaining connected to Him through faith, prayer, and His Word, and allowing His teachings and will to direct one's own.

This active and ongoing union enables me to bear spiritual "fruit"—evidence of God's work in my life—and it is also essential for Christian living, growth, and experiencing His love and joy.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine dresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.” John 15:1–4

 

[mikesw]

But people often miss that it is the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, that dwells in Christians. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit as the helper in our lives. It is God within us that is the down payment of what we will have in fullness later on.

Note that the spirit area of our lives was always dead before coming to Christ. Something that is dead or inactive cannot be killed. It is the Holy Spirit abiding in us that makes Christians alive. And note that some received the Spirit of God before being baptized. So baptism is more a public confession of the change that a person is going through by Christ.

 

[Aeliana]

For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
2 Corinthians 4:17

I like the "count it all joy" scripture James 1:2-4, which reads: "My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing".

This passage encourages us to find joy in the midst of hardships because such trials can lead to growth, perseverance, and spiritual maturity.

 

[Peterlag]

To me "abide" in Christ means to live my life in Him. To maintain a continuous, trusting, and intimate relationship with Jesus, like a branch nourished by a vine. It involves receiving His life and power, remaining connected to Him through faith, prayer, and His Word, and allowing His teachings and will to direct one's own.

This active and ongoing union enables me to bear spiritual "fruit"—evidence of God's work in my life—and it is also essential for Christian living, growth, and experiencing His love and joy.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine dresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.” John 15:1–4

This idea that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual is believed by most because the churches teach that Christians still have a sin nature. They do not. It's destroyed after the spirit of Christ has come upon the Christian. It seems like the whole Christian world teaches that the spirit follows the flesh, and by that, I mean the spirit functions through the flesh. I'm daring to believe the Christian's flesh should walk in or after and therefore be led by the spirit of Christ that just happens to be in the Christian. It's not really my spirit, but rather the spirit of Christ. And if you want to split hairs, it's really not his spirit because it came from God, which is why it's sometimes referred to as the spirit of God. When we read it's not you that speak, but the spirit of your Father. That doesnot mean God is speaking through you. It's His spirit that He gave to you that He calls the spirit of His son.

 

[Peterlag]

For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
2 Corinthians 4:17

I like the "count it all joy" scripture James 1:2-4, which reads: "My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing".

This passage encourages us to find joy in the midst of hardships because such trials can lead to growth, perseverance, and spiritual maturity.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (NIV) is my point.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

 

[Kenny]

2 Corinthians 5:17 means that any believer "in Christ" becomes a fundamentally new person, a new creation, with their old life and desires passing away and new ones coming into being through their spiritual union with Jesus. This is not just a minor change but a radical transformation, a new way of life characterized by growing obedience to God and living for others, enabled by the power of the Holy Spirit.
What I like is the fact that the old version of a Christian, who they were before they were "in Christ," is not recoverable. The old is gone, Paul writes. The new has come. All the old dreams and ideas and agendas and purposes have ceased to exist and have been replaced by Christ's ideas and agendas and purposes in an entirely new creature called "Christian."

There is no possibility of returning to the old. The old man is dead and we are made new .

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
2 Corinthians 5:17

 

[mikesw]

This idea that the spirit of Christ makes our flesh spiritual is believed by most because the churches teach that Christians still have a sin nature. They do not. It's destroyed after the spirit of Christ has come upon the Christian. It seems like the whole Christian world teaches that the spirit follows the flesh, and by that, I mean the spirit functions through the flesh. I'm daring to believe the Christian's flesh should walk in or after and therefore be led by the spirit of Christ that just happens to be in the Christian. It's not really my spirit, but rather the spirit of Christ. And if you want to split hairs, it's really not his spirit because it came from God, which is why it's sometimes referred to as the spirit of God. When we read it's not you that speak, but the spirit of your Father. That doesnot mean God is speaking through you. It's His spirit that He gave to you that He calls the spirit of His son.

Indeed some people deny that the sin nature remains with them. These are often the people that assume a self-righteousness through their own works. They deny that Christ is the only one who fulfilled the law in its details so that Christians only need to live in the law of love. It was Christ incarnate who died for our sins and reconciled us to God and sent the Holy Spirit into the Christians.

 

[Peterlag]

2 Corinthians 5:17 means that any believer "in Christ" becomes a fundamentally new person, a new creation, with their old life and desires passing away and new ones coming into being through their spiritual union with Jesus. This is not just a minor change but a radical transformation, a new way of life characterized by growing obedience to God and living for others, enabled by the power of the Holy Spirit.
What I like is the fact that the old version of a Christian, who they were before they were "in Christ," is not recoverable. The old is gone, Paul writes. The new has come. All the old dreams and ideas and agendas and purposes have ceased to exist and have been replaced by Christ's ideas and agendas and purposes in an entirely new creature called "Christian."

There is no possibility of returning to the old. The old man is dead and we are made new .

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!
2 Corinthians 5:17

I write it like this... https://www.carb-fat.com/spirit.html

 

[Kenny]

I write it like this... https://www.carb-fat.com/spirit.html

Looks good, nice site.

 

[Kenny]

I write it like this... https://www.carb-fat.com/spirit.html

I like this part. Also the spirit is part of us as is our soul.

It's not the body, but the spirit that hasbecome a new creature. In other words, it's in the spirit that we have become abrand-new species because our spirit is totally new and thereforethere is not an old sin nature left in us. We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we havethe spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We becomea new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. Thekey event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrectionwith Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian hasliterally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ.The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make itany less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam?The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ entersthe Christian. I know this comes as a complete shock to many ofyou who have been indoctrinated in the-old-nature-versus-the-new-naturetheology. Most Christians have been taught to believe that after salvation, theyare still the same at their core, and they live the rest of their lives tryingto restrain this old nature. They believe they have two natures.

 

[mikesw]

Looks good, nice site.

Keep in mind he is a unitarian. I find he has some spiritist concept that turned me away from reading further since I'm only concerned with the scripture testimony, not his theology.

 

[Peterlag]

I like this part. Also the spirit is part of us as is our soul.

It's not the body, but the spirit that hasbecome a new creature. In other words, it's in the spirit that we have become abrand-new species because our spirit is totally new and thereforethere is not an old sin nature left in us. We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we havethe spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We becomea new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. Thekey event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrectionwith Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian hasliterally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ.The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make itany less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam?The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ entersthe Christian. I know this comes as a complete shock to many ofyou who have been indoctrinated in the-old-nature-versus-the-new-naturetheology. Most Christians have been taught to believe that after salvation, theyare still the same at their core, and they live the rest of their lives tryingto restrain this old nature. They believe they have two natures.

The carb-fat sites were my beginning. This is the one now being advertisted all over the world... https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

 

[Runningman]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, butliteral and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.

I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix atooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

Sometimes believers are not sure what makes them different from non-believers since there are no visible outward signs of this transformation. Since this is all spiritual, it may only initially be evident to God and the one who experienced it. This is why personal testimony and actions are important for the Christian.

We can confirm spiritual realities to ourself and others by the things we do; and we should! Not because we want to show off, but because we can't help it in our sharing of the divine nature of God, just like how Jesus shared it with God too. Jesus is our model, not only in the kind of spiritual resurrection you just described, but the walk in newness of life as well.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

 

[mikesw]

Sometimes believers are not sure what makes them different from non-believers since there are no visible outward signs of this transformation. Since this is all spiritual, it may only initially be evident to God and the one who experienced it. This is why personal testimony and actions are important for the Christian.

We can confirm spiritual realities to ourself and others by the things we do; and we should! Not because we want to show off, but because we can't help it in our sharing of the divine nature of God, just like how Jesus shared it with God too. Jesus is our model, not only in the kind of spiritual resurrection you just described, but the walk in newness of life as well.

2 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Thanks. This is a clear example of the unitarian heresy. It diminishes who Christ Jesus is and exalt man as if he can do what Jesus does.

 

[Runningman]

Thanks. This is a clear example of the unitarian heresy. It diminishes who Christ Jesus is and exalt man as if he can do what Jesus does.

It would be better if you didn't drop your garbage off everywhere around the forum. Rather than attempting to discredit Scripture, you would do better to learn some scripture.

The Bible teaches Jesus is a man who was emowered, exalted, and glorified. Why do you deny this just so that you can attempt to justify your sin of idolatry?

Acts 2
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

 

[mikesw]

It would be better if you didn't drop your garbage off everywhere around the forum. Rather than attempting to discredit Scripture, you would do better to learn some scripture.

The Bible teaches Jesus is a man who was emowered, exalted, and glorified. Why do you deny this just so that you can attempt to justify your sin of idolatry?

Acts 2
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

I think you have short term memory and no long term memory. the little secret is that Trinitarians recognize the humanity of Christ is part of who he is. His existence as God is also recognized. But it is not like people will identify with his divinity when preaching to them to follow Jesus. It is Jesus' qualities as High Priest with his human experiences that people most associate with. I doubt God the Father would abandon Jesus in having demonstrated these qualities.
Glad I could clear things up

 

[Runningman]

I think you have short term memory and no long term memory. the little secret is that Trinitarians recognize the humanity of Christ is part of who he is. His existence as God is also recognized. But it is not like people will identify with his divinity when preaching to them to follow Jesus. It is Jesus' qualities as High Priest with his human experiences that people most associate with. I doubt God the Father would abandon Jesus in having demonstrated these qualities.
Glad I could clear things up

You didn't clear up the Bible, but rather your beliefs. Thanks for sharing. This is a Christian site though. You should not be going around calling Scripture a "unitarian heresy" and then immediately back pedaling and agreeing with me once I actually just post the scripture that exposes how divisive you are.

Jesus being a high priest, identical to Melchizedek, is a major problem for whatever point you think you're trying to make. A high priest is always a go-between before the people and God and never God Himself.

 

[mikesw]

You didn't clear up the Bible, but rather your beliefs. Thanks for sharing. This is a Christian site though. You should not be going around calling Scripture a "unitarian heresy" and then immediately back pedaling and agreeing with me once I actually just post the scripture that exposes how divisive you are.

Jesus being a high priest, identical to Melchizedek, is a major problem for whatever point you think you're trying to make. A high priest is always a go-between before the people and God and never God Himself.

so you are saying Jesus cannot be a High Priest because of his divinity!! You sure are limiting what God can do.

A reminder. You quote scripture as if you are making an argument. I reminded you that you are not showing a denial of Jesus divinity with your scripture quotes. Oh well for the unitarian weaknesses showing up again.

 

[Hosanna]

I never want to graduate from my bible study. Their is always more to learn.