Who is the : Cross Denier ?

[Behold]

Paul said...>"they went out from us, but they were not of us".......1 John 2:9

"they are enemies of the Cross". Philippians 3:18-19.

These are "Cross denying" "heretics".
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Now, notice what is important to realize.

1.). First, heretics are seemingly a part of Christianity......"they went out from us"....... IN other words, they talk verses, they talk about Jesus, they seem to be a Christian. They FAKE FRUIT......... and Most of them, live in these epistles..= Hebrews, Matthew, James, as well the (Torah) Old Testament......and if you call them out, and reveal them, they will say....>"you are not showing love".
And on forums their friends who are heretics will join them, like a chorus of liars all saying....."you are not showing love, you are not showing love".

This is very typical of how a deceptive Lawyer will attack a witness in a court of Law.. They will not ask the witness questions, they will instead attack the character of the witness. The idea is to get the viewer, or the reader, to get "caught up" in this so that the Truth that is being presented, gets hidden by the rabbit trail attacker.

I've often pointed out to them, when they start their '"""No LOVE no LOVE No LOVE all you need is LOVE""..chant......that Jesus wasn't showing them love when He went into the Temple in Jerusalem, and starting hitting heretics with a small whip that He personally made..... as they were running out of the temple to get away from THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST who was , as i teach it, kicking over money-changers Tables and yelling at these heretics to GET OUT OF MY FATHER'S HOUSE....!!!!!
The Apostles who were with him, stood there astonished,....... watching this, and they recalled a verse that says...>"The ZEAL of thine house has eaten me up"...(consumed me). Psalms 69:9.
Check it out, as that Psalm is PROPHESY that Jesus actually performed, among many more.

So what Christ was doing to these heretics, is not sin,..... this is righteous indignation. This is God dealing with devoutly evil men, liars, religious fakers.
And i can promise you that in '2023, the one thing that causes God serious anger is a Religious FAKER, who is pretending to be His, and is not, and is trying to harm real Christians with false theology, or a false denomination or similar commentaries.
This will get you killed.... Just like it happened to Joseph Smith and Jim Jones and David Koresh.

4 Things will get you killed, if you play with God. One is lying to the Holy Spirit. One is being a "christian" pretender/teacher/preacher.... and you are not really born again. One is denying Jesus is real, and is risen, and you deny Him in PUBLIC.. This happened to Christopher Hitchens. He decided to write a couple of books that denied Jesus was real,, ..... and God took him out.
God is not mocked, reader.
Believe it.
#4, Paul teaches...... is for a believer to live in serious carnality, and will not stop after being corrected and dealt with over a period of time.
You'll die.

We have in our NT, the story of DEMAS.. who was Paul's disciple.. And Demas left it all "having loved this present world"... and Paul never defines him as a fake believer.
So, Demas was a real Christian, who wanted more "wine, women, and song" and if He never turned from this, then his end was, similar to John Calvin's.
Its was terrible.

So, as i was saying.... one of the Heretics main "go to" defenses the Heretic will try to hide behind....is to try to project that you are "Not showing love", when you are in fact revealing them as liars, fakirs, and Cross deniers.
The game they play is this......"you caught me", "you revealed me",..... So, i'll try to cause the readers or the listeners to believe that you have NO LOVE, as if i can DECEIVE them into that thinking, i can continue to keep them fooled.....

Paul also says of these fakirs.....>"they were not of us"...
This means, they are FAKE..... They are PRETENDERS.......They are religious but lost. They are religious grifters. Religious con artists. Devil led and controlled LIARS.
So, these HERETICS, know all about "Christian stuff". ..as does The DEVIL.
They know all about water baptism, and communion, and commandments, and going to church.
Yet these are those who Christ has defined as """doing works in His name"""", but He tells them to "DEPART." "I never knew you"...
The sad reality is that they can be born again Christians , who Jesus does know.
So, these are church goers. These are Deacons. These are Forum members. These deceived people preach and teach the bible,
They do the works, they talk about Jesus, but they are deceived deceivers.. They are heretics, and if you are a Pastor, then you must obey Titus 3:10 or these deceived people will destroy your church.
Titus 3:10 is how you deal with them, once and for all.
On a Forum, the rule of law is to "let everything park and preach"... and that is why Forums, are usually a fire storm of accusations and mean spiritedness.

2.). What is the main characteristic of a heretic?

What is the one thing they all do, ???. = Its this..... They are able to speak "Christianese",

On "christian" Forums they cut and paste endless Grk Text and bible verses that they can't read or understand and then say..."see there, proved it".. "Gotcha'. !
Yet.......Paul says they do this.....they DO IT........= as "enemies of the Cross".

So, what is a enemy of the Cross that you are going to find on a forum or in a church pulpit?

3.) Notice ENEMY of = "The CROSS"...... So what is the Cross? Is it the wood and the nails? Is it the TREE itself? Do these heretics hate forests?

No Reader.
= The enemy of the Cross is the denier that Christ's one time eternal BLOOD AND DEATH sacrifice for all sin is the only way to Heaven, and that This SALVATION....= has nothing to do with commands, commandments, works, water, mary, communion, or lifestyle.
The enemy of the Cross, is the false teacher who tries to substitute : "works, water baptism, mary, abiding, enduring, communion, self effort, commandment keeping," in place of Christ on the Cross who ALONE is SALVATiON and there is no other... John 14:6

They sound like this....."'""yes, i know that Jesus saves, but...now....= you have to do this, and do this and abide here, and live this way, and keep those commandments, and confess, and do works works works, and do and do and dont do and dont do.."""There is your heretic. They would not know The Cross Of Christ if it fell on them and got them bloody.

See, the enemy of the Cross, is the TEACHING that the Blood of Jesus is not all that is required and all that God Himself provided to make you righteous and keep you saved.

Heretics REPLACE The CROSS of CHRIST with their list of "do's and dont do's""" and that make them an enemy of the Cross because it denies the Truth that Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER (and not water and works)......John 14:6
See it?
If you can see it, then you will see them clearly when they write, preach, or teach.

The enemy of the Cross will try to ADD to the Cross and ADD to the BLood of Jesus = works for you to do, so that your faith becomes divided or lost completely as you become a broken faith believer, now deceived,.... into the wrong faith that is...= YOU have to finish your salvation, and deal with your own sin as if you are the Blood of Jesus. And they will teach you that if you dont do all their "must do this, and must not do that", RULES and REGULATiONS that they try to prove by twisting bible verses...........then you will : "lose your salvation".

The #1 (Lie) teaching of a Cross Denying HERETIC is this.....""You can LOSE your Salvation"""......
See, that teaching denies that Jesus keeps you saved. That teaching denies the Blood of Jesus as the eternal blood atonement given through THe CROSS OF CHRIST. .... And That teaching is the "enemy of the Cross", as is that "teacher".

"Jesus is the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"... is always being DENIED by a HERETIC.

So, the enemy of the Cross, denies the Cross by trying to add to it WORKS and WATER and COMMANDMENTS, or they try to replace it with "works, commandments, water, self effort, mary,"..... or anything that has you trying to PERFORM or Do something , instead of ONLY Believing that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.


Reader.....There is your enemy of the Cross.
Learn to HEAR THEM, and by this discernment, you can keep yourself and your family safe from them, and your church as well.

 

[Dizerner]

For reference we have a thread on eternal security:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/eternal-security.145/

 

[Behold]

For reference we have a thread on eternal security:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/eternal-security.145/

Thank you..

And now we have a Thread that spotlights the Heretics who deny Eternal Life "in Christ"..., that is to be born again.

Eventually, I'll try to (THREAD) post the same 4 or 5 verses that the Heretics always use to try to prove you can "lose it"., and teach them so that those who have been caught up in this, might be able to escape this mental stronghold.
And, it can prevent a new believer, from being faith destroy by these people.

Its always the same verses they use.
Its always by twisting them, or misapplying them, or both.

 

[Soyeong]

Paul said...>"they went out from us, but they were not of us".......1 John 2:9

"they are enemies of the Cross". Philippians 3:18-19.

These are "Cross denying" "heretics".
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, notice what is important to realize.

1.). First, heretics are seemingly a part of Christianity......"they went out from us"....... IN other words, they talk verses, they talk about Jesus, they seem to be a Christian. They FAKE FRUIT......... and Most of them, live in these epistles..= Hebrews, Matthew, James, as well the (Torah) Old Testament......and if you call them out, and reveal them, they will say....>"you are not showing love".
And on forums their friends who are heretics will join them, like a chorus of liars all saying....."you are not showing love, you are not showing love".

This is very typical of how a deceptive Lawyer will attack a witness in a court of Law.. They will not ask the witness questions, they will instead attack the character of the witness. The idea is to get the viewer, or the reader, to get "caught up" in this so that the Truth that is being presented, gets hidden by the rabbit trail attacker.

I've often pointed out to them, when they start their '"""No LOVE no LOVE No LOVE all you need is LOVE""..chant......that Jesus wasn't showing them love when He went into the Temple in Jerusalem, and starting hitting heretics with a small whip that He personally made..... as they were running out of the temple to get away from THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST who was , as i teach it, kicking over money-changers Tables and yelling at these heretics to GET OUT OF MY FATHER'S HOUSE....!!!!!
The Apostles who were with him, stood there astonished,....... watching this, and they recalled a verse that says...>"The ZEAL of thine house has eaten me up"...(consumed me). Psalms 69:9.
Check it out, as that Psalm is PROPHESY that Jesus actually performed, among many more.

So what Christ was doing to these heretics, is not sin,..... this is righteous indignation. This is God dealing with devoutly evil men, liars, religious fakers.
And i can promise you that in '2023, the one thing that causes God serious anger is a Religious FAKER, who is pretending to be His, and is not, and is trying to harm real Christians with false theology, or a false denomination or similar commentaries.
This will get you killed.... Just like it happened to Joseph Smith and Jim Jones and David Koresh.

4 Things will get you killed, if you play with God. One is lying to the Holy Spirit. One is being a "christian" pretender/teacher/preacher.... and you are not really born again. One is denying Jesus is real, and is risen, and you deny Him in PUBLIC.. This happened to Christopher Hitchens. He decided to write a couple of books that denied Jesus was real,, ..... and God took him out.
God is not mocked, reader.
Believe it.
#4, Paul teaches...... is for a believer to live in serious carnality, and will not stop after being corrected and dealt with over a period of time.
You'll die.

We have in our NT, the story of DEMAS.. who was Paul's disciple.. And Demas left it all "having loved this present world"... and Paul never defines him as a fake believer.
So, Demas was a real Christian, who wanted more "wine, women, and song" and if He never turned from this, then his end was, similar to John Calvin's.
Its was terrible.

So, as i was saying.... one of the Heretics main "go to" defenses the Heretic will try to hide behind....is to try to project that you are "Not showing love", when you are in fact revealing them as liars, fakirs, and Cross deniers.
The game they play is this......"you caught me", "you revealed me",..... So, i'll try to cause the readers or the listeners to believe that you have NO LOVE, as if i can DECEIVE them into that thinking, i can continue to keep them fooled.....

Paul also says of these fakirs.....>"they were not of us"...
This means, they are FAKE..... They are PRETENDERS.......They are religious but lost. They are religious grifters. Religious con artists. Devil led and controlled LIARS.
So, these HERETICS, know all about "Christian stuff". ..as does The DEVIL.
They know all about water baptism, and communion, and commandments, and going to church.
Yet these are those who Christ has defined as """doing works in His name"""", but He tells them to "DEPART." "I never knew you"...
The sad reality is that they can be born again Christians , who Jesus does know.
So, these are church goers. These are Deacons. These are Forum members. These deceived people preach and teach the bible,
They do the works, they talk about Jesus, but they are deceived deceivers.. They are heretics, and if you are a Pastor, then you must obey Titus 3:10 or these deceived people will destroy your church.
Titus 3:10 is how you deal with them, once and for all.
On a Forum, the rule of law is to "let everything park and preach"... and that is why Forums, are usually a fire storm of accusations and mean spiritedness.

2.). What is the main characteristic of a heretic?

What is the one thing they all do, ???. = Its this..... They are able to speak "Christianese",

On "christian" Forums they cut and paste endless Grk Text and bible verses that they can't read or understand and then say..."see there, proved it".. "Gotcha'. !
Yet.......Paul says they do this.....they DO IT........= as "enemies of the Cross".

So, what is a enemy of the Cross that you are going to find on a forum or in a church pulpit?

3.) Notice ENEMY of = "The CROSS"...... So what is the Cross? Is it the wood and the nails? Is it the TREE itself? Do these heretics hate forests?

No Reader.
= The enemy of the Cross is the denier that Christ's one time eternal BLOOD AND DEATH sacrifice for all sin is the only way to Heaven, and that This SALVATION....= has nothing to do with commands, commandments, works, water, mary, communion, or lifestyle.
The enemy of the Cross, is the false teacher who tries to substitute : "works, water baptism, mary, abiding, enduring, communion, self effort, commandment keeping," in place of Christ on the Cross who ALONE is SALVATiON and there is no other... John 14:6

They sound like this....."'""yes, i know that Jesus saves, but...now....= you have to do this, and do this and abide here, and live this way, and keep those commandments, and confess, and do works works works, and do and do and dont do and dont do.."""There is your heretic. They would not know The Cross Of Christ if it fell on them and got them bloody.

See, the enemy of the Cross, is the TEACHING that the Blood of Jesus is not all that is required and all that God Himself provided to make you righteous and keep you saved.

Heretics REPLACE The CROSS of CHRIST with their list of "do's and dont do's""" and that make them an enemy of the Cross because it denies the Truth that Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER (and not water and works)......John 14:6
See it?
If you can see it, then you will see them clearly when they write, preach, or teach.

The enemy of the Cross will try to ADD to the Cross and ADD to the BLood of Jesus = works for you to do, so that your faith becomes divided or lost completely as you become a broken faith believer, now deceived,.... into the wrong faith that is...= YOU have to finish your salvation, and deal with your own sin as if you are the Blood of Jesus. And they will teach you that if you dont do all their "must do this, and must not do that", RULES and REGULATiONS that they try to prove by twisting bible verses...........then you will : "lose your salvation".

The #1 (Lie) teaching of a Cross Denying HERETIC is this.....""You can LOSE your Salvation"""......
See, that teaching denies that Jesus keeps you saved. That teaching denies the Blood of Jesus as the eternal blood atonement given through THe CROSS OF CHRIST. .... And That teaching is the "enemy of the Cross", as is that "teacher".

"Jesus is the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"... is always being DENIED by a HERETIC.

So, the enemy of the Cross, denies the Cross by trying to add to it WORKS and WATER and COMMANDMENTS, or they try to replace it with "works, commandments, water, self effort, mary,"..... or anything that has you trying to PERFORM or Do something , instead of ONLY Believing that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.


Reader.....There is your enemy of the Cross.
Learn to HEAR THEM, and by this discernment, you can keep yourself and your family safe from them, and your church as well.

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for good works, so becoming zealous for doin good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is not adding our own efforts to what Christ accomplished as if what he accomplished was insufficient, but rather that is the way to believe in what he accomplished alone (Acts 21:20), while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to deny the cross. In Psalms 40:8, God has made His will known through the Mosaic Law, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who so the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him. Jesus notably did not say that he would tell those who are doers of the law to depart from him, yet you act like he said the opposite.

Jesus is God's word made flesh, so is the embodiment of God's word expressed through setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so him saying that he is the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to know the Father (John 14:6-7) is the same as saying that us embodying embodying God's word through following his example of obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and shed life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to know the Father (Exodus 33:13). It is contradictory to think that the embodiment of God's word saves, but that us embodying God's word through following this example does not. God is trustworthy, therefore HIs word is also trustworthy.

In Titus 3:1-9, Paul exhorted them to do good works, so verse 10 should not be turned against those who are exhorting people to do good works. If there was a king who gave laws to govern the conduct of the citizens of his kingdom and there was someone going around speaking against obeying what He commanded, then that person would not be a servant of the king, but rather they would be an enemy of the king. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. It should not make sense to you to think that it is a good idea to speak against having faith in what God has commanded.

 

[Behold]

In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for good works, so becoming zealous for doin good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is not adding our own efforts

You verse does not say that the "good works" are the Law of Moses.

The Good works are the discipleship of the Believer, its the "spiritual fruit" that we bear,.. = as God works in us according to His own will, through us.

God's Will, is not the Law of Moses that He abolished through Christ on the Cross.

"Christ is the END of the LAW... for righteousness, to everyone who believes".

God created a New Testament, and a New Covenant, Its not the old one. Its not about the OLD LAW of Moses..

Its about "Grace and Truth", that have come by Jesus.

So, if you are an unsaved religious Jew, then keep worshiping Mose's Law.
But if you are Born again, then realize that we are joined to the One who has delivered us from the "Curse of the Law".

"CHRIST.. has redeemed the born again from the Curse of the Law".

 

[Dizerner]

Eventually, I'll try to (THREAD) post the same 4 or 5 verses that the Heretics always use to try to prove you can "lose it"

Ooooo, goodie, I love being a heretic.

Just because I'm not insane enough to think God put warnings to believers for more than decoration.

 

[Behold]

Ooooo, goodie, I love being a heretic.

Just because I'm not insane enough to think God put warnings to believers for more than decoration.

Let me guess.

Hebrews, Matthew, and James., is coming my way?

Just remember that you can't stop being born., and you can't stop being born again.

Did you notice that there is no verse in the bible that warns that you can stop being born again?
That's because you can't.

"IN Christ" is ETENERAL Life, not temporary, and you didnt receive that by earning it, or being good.

Your Works, and your FAITH, did not save you.
Faith, didnt die on the Cross for ALL your sin.
Faith is not the Savior... God is the Savior, and Jesus is the Way.
So, if you dont do works, and dont keep your faith, AFTER you are born again, then that is just your HEAD and behavior.

I meet a lot of christians who believe that faith saved them, so as long as they hold unto their faith, they believe... then this keeps them saved.

However, Faith is not the Savior. God is the Savior, who saves you ONCE, through Faith.
This is not progressive... this is a BIRTH in the Spirit...... born again, ONCE .. one time....done.

"But what if i"...
"But what if i"
"But what if i"

A.) BORN AGAIN = Done.

See, if you are born again, you are joined to Christ, and God.. And God did that and you can't stop it by behavior issues you commit in your body or mind.

"God will be faithful to complete the salvation He started in you", even if you make a shipwreck of your faith, of your discipleship.

Philippians 1:6

Also, to "abide" in Christ, is to be born again... = Notice you do that "IN CHRIST" and that is not your trying to do it.

And remember, if you run to symbolic verses that talk about "branches being burned", or "Candlesticks being removed".... just remember that you are not a branch nor do you have a wick inside you..= never use a symbolic verse to try to prove doctrine.
You are also not one of the "10 JEWISH Virgins", in that parable, as none of them were born again, as Christ had not died on the Cross yet, when that story came around.

The born again, is a SON/Daughter of God... made so, by God's Himself, and that is not based on your behavior.

And i have one more thought for you to consider @dizerner ... and Readers..

When you came to God, you were a LIFETIME SINNER, years and years.... and God forgave all your sin, and made you "righteous", in an instant.
So, that is a lifetime sinner, made righteous, instantly... and Kept the same, by the same Blood Atonement.
A.) What saves you, keeps you saved.

See THE CROSS OF CHRIST for the update.

Here is the thing... When God took your faith in exchange for Christ's Righteousness, God's foreknowledge already knew everything you would do wrong, think wrong, and want wrong, for the rest of your life.....
So, God knows the moment He is saving you, = about all those things you are going to do later...... good, bad, or worse.
So, anything a believer can possibly do or think for the next 90 yrs....., after they are saved by God... God knew it all, before He saved you that day.
And He saves us anyway..
He saves you anyway..
Why?
Its because the Sacrifice of Christ's Blood and Death, is God's Blood and this New Covenant Blood Atonement = always keeps you as righteous 50 yrs later, exactly as it made you righteous when you came to God as a previously ungodly LIFETIME SINNER.

"Jesus came into the world to saved sinners" because .. A.) = "God justifies the UNGODLY"... = Romans 4:5 (Paul's Doctrine).