Joe
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Let's do a walk though of Mark 13 that is copied and pasted below for reference.
What is the event that spurred these questions from some disciples in verse 4?
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
Answer: Verse 2.
And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
Who's questions did the Lord answer?
Answer: Verses 3 and 4
(3) And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
(4) “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
So the destruction of the temple and its buildings they just walked out of (verse 1) is the event, and the questions from Peter, James, John, and Andrew have to do with timing, "when" will these things be, and the indicator, "sign" that it is about to happen.
Our Lord begins to tell the disciples things that will happen in verses 5 through 3 before the destruction of the temple and its buildings of verse 2.
The key indicator, "sign" is detailed in verse 14.
"But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
The same key indicator of the same conversation is simply stated in Luke 21:20.
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near."
So the temple they just walked out of, Jesus said "will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down". He told them the key indicator to know when it is about to happen is "when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be". Luke describes the same key indicator as, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near."
The questions are: Did the event of verse 2 actually happen? And did the key indicator of verse 14 happen?
The answer is yes to both. It is historical fact that in 66AD the Roman armies under Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem indicating its destruction was near as stated in verse 14. And by God's grace, Cestius Gallus pulled back and departed giving God's faithful people time to flee the city before its utter destruction, verses 14, 15 and 16. And then General Titus, the son of Roman Emperor Vespasian, advanced upon Jerusalem in 70AD laying siege and entering in, completely destroying what remained of the city and the temple.
So we know verse 2 did happen as the Lord foretold. The very temple they walked out of was destroyed, and that in complete fulfillment of our Lord's Word, not one of its stones was left upon another. And we know the pagan Roman Armies are the ones who did it in 70AD. To this day, the Arch of Titus still stands in Rome commemorating his triumph over the Jewish people.
So, this means by default, all of the things mentioned in verse 5 through 13 had to happen too. They had too if our Lord is true. There is no other viable understanding that can circumvent the Words of our Lord as He stated, since the destruction of the temple in verse 2 is contingent upon their fulfillment.
This also means the charge our Lord gave the Apostles had been fulfilled, "And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mat 28:18-19). The Apostle Paul was not wrong when he stated in his letter to the Colossians, "the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven". We know this because verse 10 must be fulfilled before verse 2 could happen.
And also by default, verses 17 through 23 happened too; for all the verses ultimately have to do with the event of verse 2.
We cannot say a single one of these verses did not happen by 70AD and still claim verse 2 did, for then none of them could happen because it would mean our Lord was wrong by saying they would. This also means verse 19 about tribulation is about this same event and not another event. It is part of the same event of verse 2.
I hope this makes sense. There is no spiritualizing of anything. Just fulfillment of the events as foretold by our Lord.
Mark 13:1-23 has been fulfilled entirely.
God Bless
Mar 13:1-23
(1) And as he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”
(2) And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
(3) And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
(4) “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
(5) And Jesus began to say to them, “See that no one leads you astray.
(6) Many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and they will lead many astray.
(7) And when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. This must take place, but the end is not yet.
(8) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. These are but the beginning of the birth pains.
(9) “But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.
(10) And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations.
(11) And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
(12) And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death.
(13) And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
(14) “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
(15) Let the one who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything out,
(16) and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak.
(17) And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
(18) Pray that it may not happen in winter.
(19) For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.
(20) And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
(21) And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
(22) For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
(23) But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.
What is the event that spurred these questions from some disciples in verse 4?
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
Answer: Verse 2.
And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
Who's questions did the Lord answer?
Answer: Verses 3 and 4
(3) And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
(4) “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
So the destruction of the temple and its buildings they just walked out of (verse 1) is the event, and the questions from Peter, James, John, and Andrew have to do with timing, "when" will these things be, and the indicator, "sign" that it is about to happen.
Our Lord begins to tell the disciples things that will happen in verses 5 through 3 before the destruction of the temple and its buildings of verse 2.
The key indicator, "sign" is detailed in verse 14.
"But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
The same key indicator of the same conversation is simply stated in Luke 21:20.
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near."
So the temple they just walked out of, Jesus said "will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down". He told them the key indicator to know when it is about to happen is "when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be". Luke describes the same key indicator as, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near."
The questions are: Did the event of verse 2 actually happen? And did the key indicator of verse 14 happen?
The answer is yes to both. It is historical fact that in 66AD the Roman armies under Cestius Gallus surrounded Jerusalem indicating its destruction was near as stated in verse 14. And by God's grace, Cestius Gallus pulled back and departed giving God's faithful people time to flee the city before its utter destruction, verses 14, 15 and 16. And then General Titus, the son of Roman Emperor Vespasian, advanced upon Jerusalem in 70AD laying siege and entering in, completely destroying what remained of the city and the temple.
So we know verse 2 did happen as the Lord foretold. The very temple they walked out of was destroyed, and that in complete fulfillment of our Lord's Word, not one of its stones was left upon another. And we know the pagan Roman Armies are the ones who did it in 70AD. To this day, the Arch of Titus still stands in Rome commemorating his triumph over the Jewish people.
So, this means by default, all of the things mentioned in verse 5 through 13 had to happen too. They had too if our Lord is true. There is no other viable understanding that can circumvent the Words of our Lord as He stated, since the destruction of the temple in verse 2 is contingent upon their fulfillment.
This also means the charge our Lord gave the Apostles had been fulfilled, "And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mat 28:18-19). The Apostle Paul was not wrong when he stated in his letter to the Colossians, "the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven". We know this because verse 10 must be fulfilled before verse 2 could happen.
And also by default, verses 17 through 23 happened too; for all the verses ultimately have to do with the event of verse 2.
We cannot say a single one of these verses did not happen by 70AD and still claim verse 2 did, for then none of them could happen because it would mean our Lord was wrong by saying they would. This also means verse 19 about tribulation is about this same event and not another event. It is part of the same event of verse 2.
I hope this makes sense. There is no spiritualizing of anything. Just fulfillment of the events as foretold by our Lord.
Mark 13:1-23 has been fulfilled entirely.
God Bless
Mar 13:1-23
(1) And as he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!”
(2) And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
(3) And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
(4) “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”
(5) And Jesus began to say to them, “See that no one leads you astray.
(6) Many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and they will lead many astray.
(7) And when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. This must take place, but the end is not yet.
(8) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places; there will be famines. These are but the beginning of the birth pains.
(9) “But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.
(10) And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations.
(11) And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
(12) And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death.
(13) And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
(14) “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
(15) Let the one who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything out,
(16) and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak.
(17) And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!
(18) Pray that it may not happen in winter.
(19) For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.
(20) And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
(21) And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
(22) For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
(23) But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.
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