The Creator of all things is YHWH/ God

civic

civic

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No exceptions meaning everything created​

Was done by Him and for Him. This includes the angels which Christ created and whom also worship Him now in heaven(see Rev 5).

Col 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

We see above that creation of all things(panta- no exceptions and is all inclusive) were made by Him and solely for Him. They were created for His good pleasure. And without Him nothing was made that was made(see John 1:1-3).

Also since we see He is before all things created then logic and reason dictates that He is Eternal and not part of any creation. He is distinct and separate from created as the Creator.

Here we see that Paul completely exhausts the creation categories:

1)all things created
2)things in heaven
3)things in the earth
4) things visible
5)things invisible
6)thrones,dominions,rulers,authorities
7)the above mentioned things rule out any exceptions

Now we also see from the Apostle Paul that He(Christ) is BEFORE all things and that all things in Him subsist or are held together.

Now tell me Who other than the Almighty God known as YHWH is before all things, created all things and holds the very universe together?

The answer none but God. And Paul tells us in the context that Jesus is the very image of the invisible God. He made the unknown known, the invisible God became visible in the flesh. This is the Incarnation where we see in Christ God was manifest in the flesh. God became man as John's prologue so eloquently spells out in verses 1-18.

So can you like the Author of Hebrews, Paul, Thomas, Peter and John confess Jesus is your God, your Creator?

hope this helps,
 
Angels were created as per Colossians 1:16-17 below who are the created angels , the principalities and powers with rank and order below. And we know only God created them and has the power over them. And Christ is God, their Creator who rules over them.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 1:20-21
which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The angels are His to command.

Matt 13:41
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

Matt 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31"And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 25:31-33
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

2 Thess 1:7
when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

1 Tim 5:21
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.

Heb 1:6
He says,
"AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."


Rev 5:11-12
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."


The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.



hope this helps !!!
 
Who has the power over demons ?

Only God has the power and authority over the demons,spirits and angels. It is clear the demons recognized Jesus identity as God in the flesh.


Luke 9:1
And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases.

Matt 8:29
What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?"

Mark 5:7
"What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!"

Luke 10:17-18
The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name." 18 And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Satan was once a good angel. He rebelled against God and left heaven along with the other evil angels. Some say he was hurled from heaven.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:

No exceptions meaning everything created​

Was done by Him and for Him. This includes the angels which Christ created and whom also worship Him now in heaven(see Rev 5).

Col 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

We see above that creation of all things(panta- no exceptions and is all inclusive) were made by Him and solely for Him. They were created for His good pleasure. And without Him nothing was made that was made(see John 1:1-3).

Also since we see He is before all things created then logic and reason dictates that He is Eternal and not part of any creation. He is distinct and separate from created as the Creator.

Here we see that Paul completely exhausts the creation categories:

1)all things created
2)things in heaven
3)things in the earth
4) things visible
5)things invisible
6)thrones,dominions,rulers,authorities
7)the above mentioned things rule out any exceptions

Now we also see from the Apostle Paul that He(Christ) is BEFORE all things and that all things in Him subsist or are held together.

Now tell me Who other than the Almighty God known as YHWH is before all things, created all things and holds the very universe together?

The answer none but God. And Paul tells us in the context that Jesus is the very image of the invisible God. He made the unknown known, the invisible God became visible in the flesh. This is the Incarnation where we see in Christ God was manifest in the flesh. God became man as John's prologue so eloquently spells out in verses 1-18.

So can you like the Author of Hebrews, Paul, Thomas, Peter and John confess Jesus is your God, your Creator?

hope this helps,
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Good, but is not the "ONE" who created and made all things is one person? for the ONE who sits on the throne in Revelation is the CREATOR. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

now the question is, "who sits on the throne?" it is definitely not a separate and distinct person in a three-person Godhead. because he who sits on the throne "RECIEVED POWER", and 101G has scriptures that states the son received POWER. but is it not the Son who STAND before the throne? Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

well now, we know the Lord Jesus sits on the throne, per Revelation 4:11. and now we see the same person STANDING before the throne. he who sits is he who stand. and he who stands is the Lord Jesus. well now, we have the same one person sitting and standing. so a three-person Godhead is eliminated.

101G.
 
Fred said:
Hebrews 1:10 is also a great passage which demonstrates Jesus is the Creator (cf. Psalm 102:25).
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Hebrews 1:10 " And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"
ok, GOOD, but, Zechariah 12:1 " The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

question is JESUS the "LORD?" yes, or else one has two earth foundation layers. your choice.

101G.
 
Fred said:
Your heresy was already blown to bits in our debate.
So, yes, I am of good cheer.
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GINOLJC, to all
LOL, LOL, LOL, you could not even answer my questions. look if your doctrine is correct... then believe it to the end....... (smile).... lol.
just beware, 1 Timothy 1:9 " Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 " For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" if 101G doctrine or your doctrine is incorrect ..... you or 101G will meet the LAW in Judgment. ..... so, good luck. ........ :whistle:

101G.
 
Fred said:
You can't figure out what plural pronouns mean. I am not going to waste my time answering questions from a person that confused.
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plural pronoun do no negate ONE PERSON CREATOR, now last time is JESUS the "LORD?" yes or no.

1091G.
 
101G said:
plural pronoun do no negate ONE PERSON CREATOR,
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It's plural pronouns.

Oneness has it so Jesus is the Father. However, Jesus refers to Himself and the Father using plural pronouns.

But your oneness of perversity heresy believe THEY are the same SINGULAR Person.

Total chaos and delusion on your part.
 
Fred said:
It's plural pronouns.

Oneness has it so Jesus is the Father. However, Jesus refers to Himself and the Father using plural pronouns,

But your oneness of perversity heresy believe THEY are the same SINGULAR Person.

Total chaos and delusion on your part.
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so you cannot answer the question as always. but ERROR, 101G say JESUS is "LORD" and "Lord" in Ordinal designations, as First and Last... in the ECHAD of himself as GOD. (smile).

so, you still cannot answer the question.... thought so..... read it again, 1 Timothy 1:9 & 10......... :LOL:

101G.
 
101G said:
so you cannot answer the question as always. but ERROR, 101G say JESUS is "LORD" and "Lord" in Ordinal designations, as First and Last... in the ECHAD of himself as GOD. (smile).

so, you still cannot answer the question.... thought so..... read it again, 1 Timothy 1:9 & 10......... :LOL:

101G.
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Nort from heretics who play make believe with what plural pronouns mean.
 
Fred said:
Nort from heretics who play make believe with what plural pronouns mean.
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still cannot answer. so sad. but let's do one more on Pronouns. is the Person in John 1:3 the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 "WHO MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no. ...... just a simple yes or no.

101G.
 

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