PROJECT 2025

[Brakelite]

The "good news", ie the gospel, seems to mean different things to different people. Before I comment further, have a listen to the following. Some of you may have heard this already...



There is so much truth in those lyrics, and it applies not only to the US. It's just as bad, if not worse in New Zealand, and heading that way fast in Australia. Britain, and Europe have their issues as well. There is a global crisis of immorality, godlessness, political narcissism, and ideological craziness. Particularly in the western world. Praise God for the great moving of the holy Spirit in places such as Africa and Asia where hundreds of thousands are being baptized.
The question however, what do we do about it in the west, particularly in the US where Christianity and politics can be so intertwined, is very much open to debate. The topics of Christian nationalism, Zionism, and the separation of church and state, are subjects often treated and discussed with much reluctance in the church, similarly to the reluctance of secular people to discussing politics and religion... Reason being that no-one seems to be able to talk about these things without losing tempers, abusing one another, and losing friends over it. So they shut up. The answer to the ills of our world as we all know, theoretically, is the gospel. Jesus and Him crucified. On that all Christians tend to agree.

How that plays out, and how the gospel is implemented, well, that's another story. I thought, perhaps naively, to dedicate a thread to discuss such matters, but surely we are all pondering on these things, whether it's over our coffee or our Bible, or both, the direction the world is heading is of great concern to anyone with half an eye open. I have mentioned several times on other sites PROJECT 2025. No-one it seems wants to talk about that. Why not? Or have you not heard of this? Would anyone like to discuss it? Is it good or bad? Basically, it is evangelicanism's answer to the nations need of a change of mind and heart in response to the current spiritual malaise and political antagonism toward Christianity in the US. THE QUESTION IS, is this the correct response? Very interested in people's thoughts on this.

 

[TibiasDad]

The "good news", ie the gospel, seems to mean different things to different people. Before I comment further, have a listen to the following. Some of you may have heard this already...

There is so much truth in those lyrics, and it applies not only to the US. It's just as bad, if not worse in New Zealand, and heading that way fast in Australia. Britain, and Europe have their issues as well. There is a global crisis of immorality, godlessness, political narcissism, and ideological craziness. Particularly in the western world. Praise God for the great moving of the holy Spirit in places such as Africa and Asia where hundreds of thousands are being baptized.
The question however, what do we do about it in the west, particularly in the US where Christianity and politics can be so intertwined, is very much open to debate. The topics of Christian nationalism, Zionism, and the separation of church and state, are subjects often treated and discussed with much reluctance in the church, similarly to the reluctance of secular people to discussing politics and religion... Reason being that no-one seems to be able to talk about these things without losing tempers, abusing one another, and losing friends over it. So they shut up. The answer to the ills of our world as we all know, theoretically, is the gospel. Jesus and Him crucified. On that all Christians tend to agree.

How that plays out, and how the gospel is implemented, well, that's another story. I thought, perhaps naively, to dedicate a thread to discuss such matters, but surely we are all pondering on these things, whether it's over our coffee or our Bible, or both, the direction the world is heading is of great concern to anyone with half an eye open. I have mentioned several times on other sites PROJECT 2025. No-one it seems wants to talk about that. Why not? Or have you not heard of this? Would anyone like to discuss it? Is it good or bad? Basically, it is evangelicanism's answer to the nations need of a change of mind and heart in response to the current spiritual malaise and political antagonism toward Christianity in the US. THE QUESTION IS, is this the correct response? Very interested in people's thoughts on this.

It’s a good question @Breaklite, and like any constitutional question, there is a range of interpretation that can be legitimately considered. This said, one must be very careful, for if Project 2025 is implemented as desired, the same authority would be given to any subsequent Democratic president elected.

If this were to occur, the ‘dictatorship’ that opponents warn against could be fulfilled by anyone who is elected. (Which, IMHO, is precisely what the ‘left’ is shooting for, and would fit the motif of a one world government scenario, which is an inevitable reality according to scripture.)

So would I support it? On the one hand, it is a last ditch effort to maintain a sense of morality in government, but it will eventually work against all things godly, and set the stage for the US to forfeit its sovereignty to a one world government. “Even so, come Lord Jesus!”


Doug

 

[synergy]

The "good news", ie the gospel, seems to mean different things to different people. Before I comment further, have a listen to the following. Some of you may have heard this already...



There is so much truth in those lyrics, and it applies not only to the US. It's just as bad, if not worse in New Zealand, and heading that way fast in Australia. Britain, and Europe have their issues as well. There is a global crisis of immorality, godlessness, political narcissism, and ideological craziness. Particularly in the western world. Praise God for the great moving of the holy Spirit in places such as Africa and Asia where hundreds of thousands are being baptized.
The question however, what do we do about it in the west, particularly in the US where Christianity and politics can be so intertwined, is very much open to debate. The topics of Christian nationalism, Zionism, and the separation of church and state, are subjects often treated and discussed with much reluctance in the church, similarly to the reluctance of secular people to discussing politics and religion... Reason being that no-one seems to be able to talk about these things without losing tempers, abusing one another, and losing friends over it. So they shut up. The answer to the ills of our world as we all know, theoretically, is the gospel. Jesus and Him crucified. On that all Christians tend to agree.

How that plays out, and how the gospel is implemented, well, that's another story. I thought, perhaps naively, to dedicate a thread to discuss such matters, but surely we are all pondering on these things, whether it's over our coffee or our Bible, or both, the direction the world is heading is of great concern to anyone with half an eye open. I have mentioned several times on other sites PROJECT 2025. No-one it seems wants to talk about that. Why not? Or have you not heard of this? Would anyone like to discuss it? Is it good or bad? Basically, it is evangelicanism's answer to the nations need of a change of mind and heart in response to the current spiritual malaise and political antagonism toward Christianity in the US. THE QUESTION IS, is this the correct response? Very interested in people's thoughts on this.

Democracy is an ongoing experiment. It will have its fits and starts but hopefully cool heads will prevail. Although our Justice system is not perfect, this at least is what we have for now and it can only get worse if we jettison it.

I've never heard of a Project 2025. Can you summarize it in a few sentences? Thanks!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Democracy is an ongoing experiment. It will have its fits and starts but hopefully cool heads will prevail. Although our Justice system is not perfect, this at least is what we have for now and it can only get worse if we jettison it.

I've never heard of a Project 2025. Can you summarize it in a few sentences? Thanks!

Just about any system of government works when good men run it....... That is why we need the King of Kings and Lord of Lords....

 

[synergy]

Just about any system of government works when good men run it....... That is why we need the King of Kings and Lord of Lords....

Some governments have much better checks and balances than others. Until the 2nd coming of Christ, I can see no better governments than the ones we have in North America and Europe.

BTW, do you know anything about Project 2025?

 

[Brakelite]

Democracy is an ongoing experiment. It will have its fits and starts but hopefully cool heads will prevail. Although our Justice system is not perfect, this at least is what we have for now and it can only get worse if we jettison it.

I've never heard of a Project 2025. Can you summarize it in a few sentences? Thanks!

Basically, it is an attempt to instill righteousness into the nation and into politics by government decree and law. It is an image to the papal beast of the dark ages. That's my emotional response anyway.
The more laid back response would be to describe it as a reaction against 10 years of left wing infiltration into every facet of our daily lives. I say this as a kiwi living in Australia... it's happening here to. Project 2025 is a right wing pendulum swing. It's goal is to oust left wing woke amoral and immoral philosophy and ideology from the American political administrative body.

 

[synergy]

Basically, it is an attempt to instill righteousness into the nation and into politics by government decree and law. It is an image to the papal beast of the dark ages. That's my emotional response anyway.
The more laid back response would be to describe it as a reaction against 10 years of left wing infiltration into every facet of our daily lives. I say this as a kiwi living in Australia... it's happening here to. Project 2025 is a right wing pendulum swing. It's goal is to oust left wing woke amoral and immoral philosophy and ideology from the American political administrative body.

I was curious and I read up about it. It's a proposal to increase the powers of the Presidency by decreasing governmental obstacles around him. I am for that only for a President that will not abuse those extra powers. Since that cannot be guaranteed then I'm very suspicious of that plan. I'm for smaller government but not at the expense of checks and balances.

As for legislating morality, that is a losing proposition. I think that stance is just a smoke screen for a power grab. Putin was up front with his constitution-altering presidential power grab in Russia and so was Erdogan in Turkey. Power grabs are in vogue these days by those type of Presidents. It's not surprising that's also being promoted in the US by some Republicans (Trump supporters primarily), not all Republicans.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Some governments have much better checks and balances than others. Until the 2nd coming of Christ, I can see no better governments than the ones we have in North America and Europe.

BTW, do you know anything about Project 2025?

I believe in freedom. In fact, I believe it is a center aspect of our existence and a challenge to our egos. If we believe in freedom, we must let others make mistakes. When freedom is denied, it establishes the governmental systems that will bring about the rule of Christ.

I don't know anything about Project 2025

 

[synergy]

I believe in freedom. In fact, I believe it is a center aspect of our existence and a challenge to our egos. If we believe in freedom, we must let others make mistakes. When freedom is denied, it establishes the governmental systems that will bring about the rule of Christ.

I don't know anything about Project 2025

I believe in freedom of the individual, not freedom of the Presidency. It's one or the other. I pray people choose correctly.

 

[Frank Russell]

THE QUESTION IS, is this the correct response? Very interested in people's thoughts on this.

The correct response ...

The scripture that comes to mind is the ending of the sermon on the mount.

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

The constructive suggestion for Christian groups who care about their future is to abandon whatever they thought was right, and emulate the sermon on the mount as a foundation.

Once the foundation is established, build on it: Meaning, continue applying it and build more teaching that fits with what Jesus actually taught.

Or you could just let everything get destroyed, some people seem to have a fetish for watching things go boom right in front of their eyes.

 

[Brakelite]

The correct response ...

The scripture that comes to mind is the ending of the sermon on the mount.

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

The constructive suggestion for Christian groups who care about their future is to abandon whatever they thought was right, and emulate the sermon on the mount as a foundation.

Once the foundation is established, build on it: Meaning, continue applying it and build more teaching that fits with what Jesus actually taught.

Or you could just let everything get destroyed, some people seem to have a fetish for watching things go boom right in front of their eyes.

I get that, I really do. The US isn't the only place where government overreach into our lives and attempts to instill wickedness into society has become an art form. The desire to fight back and institute forms and processes to reroute the current systems toward some semblance of righteousness is powerful and is totally understandable. The question one must ask, is how far should we go? All institutions, clubs, governments, operate under law. Some national, some local body council by laws, some that apply only to that club, like a restriction on membership for example. Governments however have to make laws that govern the entire nation. What laws can you introduce that would lead a nation towards righteousness and away from the ridiculousness of the last generation of woke political nonsense, remembering that laws need to enforceable, and need to be just in their application to all people?

 

[Frank Russell]

I get that, I really do. The US isn't the only place where government overreach into our lives and attempts to instill wickedness into society has become an art form. The desire to fight back and institute forms and processes to reroute the current systems toward some semblance of righteousness is powerful and is totally understandable. The question one must ask, is how far should we go? All institutions, clubs, governments, operate under law. Some national, some local body council by laws, some that apply only to that club, like a restriction on membership for example. Governments however have to make laws that govern the entire nation. What laws can you introduce that would lead a nation towards righteousness and away from the ridiculousness of the last generation of woke political nonsense, remembering that laws need to enforceable, and need to be just in their application to all people?

The US is a government, laws are necessary for governments.

Individuals have the freedom to express grace.

 

[Brakelite]

I first wrote the following over 10 years ago when living in NZ, and have no reason to retract anything I've said here, in fact, the appearance of PROJECT 2025 and it's threat to the constitution and American Republicanism, has fully vindicated the arguments I was making. Here is a word for word repeat, with no changes.

I am no expert on American constitutional law, nor am I so familiar with the first amendment that I would dare to proclaim myself an expositor of truth when it comes to interpreting it. Add to that the fact that I write from several thousand miles away in about as remote a part of the south Pacific as you can get, and some may wonder that I would dare to comment at all.
I am aware that there are many and varied arguments that permeate the debate on how the first amendment should be understood, especially at the base level of church/state union. So what qualifies me to dare comment on an issue that is so, ummm...American? Well, first off, I am a Christian. And second, American political decisions do tend to have an effect that creates ripples and collateral damage far removed from her own borders. And thirdly, and most importantly, Biblical prophecy tells us that there is going to come a time when religious freedom worldwide becomes a mere idea and a long lost hope of the persecuted. It is my belief that prophecy indicates that religious freedom first becomes an endangered species in the United States, despite the intents and purposes of her founding fathers, and the resulting constitution and Bill of Rights. This of course will surprise many, not only because of the deep respect for the constitution most Americans have, (and rightly so...it is a unique document ...although I have heard it said that rather than written in stone as many believe, it is but lightly written upon paper with a very erasable pencil), but also because the United States is not actually named in the Bible thus it is only with some interpretive study that she can be found. Such a course is of course highly debatable and controversial, yet I will stand by what I've said.

Atheists in the U.S. have of recent times decried religious freedom rallies as promotions for theocracy. I do have some sympathy with their view. Throughout history religious 'freedom' has often been promoted with the intent that the majority religion have the right to enforce their beliefs on the minority, as happened in medieval Europe, both in Protestant and Catholic countries. It is not without a little fear that I see the current strength of the religious 'right' in America using its great leverage to promote her pet candidates at all levels of American politics, with the intent no doubt to bring about a 'Christianised' nation through its civil or secular authorities.

One must remember that although the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written and signed by and large by godly people, those documents were specifically designed to ensure freedom of conscience and religious liberty, even liberty for unbelievers. The US government as a political entity is not, nor ever was , a "Christian" government. And the only true hope for America, and the rest of the world, is not in the "Christianizing" of the government, but in the heartfelt deep life-changing repentant soul-searching conversion of the individual American people.

I think that what we must acknowledge is that historically, America was embarking on a brand new revolutionary concept. Religious liberty, freedom of conscience. A civil rule without a king, a religious nation without a pope. Coming from a Europe that was just emerging from over 1000 years of papal tyranny the founding fathers of your nation were establishing a nation with an exclusively protestant ethic, even though it took some time for even protestants to learn.
We as Christians have far more to fear from governments with a religious agenda (including 'Christian' agendas...read again Revelation 13:11-17) than any secular government. Interestingly, history tells us that Christian communities thrived very well under the rule of such as Genghis Khan, because he was neutral in matters of religion. (Although he was certainly less than tolerant with those who opposed him politically.)

Let us not however forget the past, the price paid for the freedoms we enjoy, and out of frustration or lack of faith in God's power, or willingness, to establish His kingdom among us, let us not resort to government legislation to reinstate those virtues which we may deem lost or in danger of being eroded, as it seems so many in the churches seem to be espousing recently. That my friends, will be a greater calamity than any could imagine.

 

[Brakelite]

Something else happening in 2025... The externalization of the hierarchy. Coincidence? Never.

 

[synergy]

Something else happening in 2025... The externalization of the hierarchy. Coincidence? Never.

What pray tell is that?

 

[Brakelite]

What pray tell is that?

Do you believe Luciferians/spiritualists are being led by Satan in an offensive against the church in these last days? On second thoughts, how about throughout history... But with a focus on God's people particularly knowing "He has but a short time"? (Rev. 12:12)

 

[Brakelite]

What pray tell is that?

SECTION FOUR - STAGES IN THE EXTERNALISATION OF THE HIERARCHY - Part 2 - Online Books (Lucis Trust)

www.lucistrust.org

 

[Brakelite]

What pray tell is that?

Towards 2025 (Lucis Trust)

www.lucistrust.org

Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer trust, created by Alice A Bailey. She wrote a number of books, every one channeled through a demon, Dwahl Kuhl. "The Externalization of the Hierarchy" is a book detailing the goal of 2025 being the year in which all the plans for esoteric global Luciferian religion comes to fruition. Will the 2025 project by Evangelicals and the Heritage Foundation be opposed to the above, or will they collaborate and assist in establishing it?

 

[synergy]

Towards 2025 (Lucis Trust)

www.lucistrust.org

Lucis Trust, formerly Lucifer trust, created by Alice A Bailey. She wrote a number of books, every one channeled through a demon, Dwahl Kuhl. "The Externalization of the Hierarchy" is a book detailing the goal of 2025 being the year in which all the plans for esoteric global Luciferian religion comes to fruition. Will the 2025 project by Evangelicals and the Heritage Foundation be opposed to the above, or will they collaborate and assist in establishing it?

Same old regurgitation of the occult. For example, Shamanism attempted to become mainstream a few decades ago and that failed miserably.

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not talking about shamanism though. I'm talking about the numerous members of occult secret societies such as the Freemasons, who grace the executive tables of our largest corporations, and speak with regularity at the podiums of our most prestigious educational institutions, government agencies, and globalist conglomerates. Those secret societies, besides Freemasonry, may also include Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, criminal cartels, and some global religious bodies such as Islam and Communism, the leaders of which at times all sit at the same table discussing the same agendas and implementing the same plans. Who truly rules the world goes beyond a few over zealous ambitious witch doctors.
But if you haven't noticed the movements around the world, both political and religious, that are trending toward a single overpowering persecuting religious order, and not understand that it is organised, planned, and has been the long term goals of Satan and his earthly agents for centuries, I would respectfully suggest you spend some more time reading the 12th,13th, and 14th chapters of revelation.
And yes, it is absolutely, without any doubt or apology on my part, a conspiracy.