Laws I don't love

praise_yeshua

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Deu 25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Deu 25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

I would hope that if I'm badly losing a fight.... That my wife would do more than grab the other guy by the "secrets". However, if she did..... I wouldn't want her to lose her hand.

Should I "love" this law?

How about the fact I don't want my children to die because they've cursed me?

Exo 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

I prefer they not be killed. Should I love this law?

In fact, such is not representative of the nature of God. You know how I know? How about two words. Jesus Christ.
 
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Deu 25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Deu 25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

I would hope that if I'm badly losing a fight.... That my wife would do more than grab the other guy by the "secrets". However, if she did..... I wouldn't want her to lose her hand.

Should I "love" this law?

How about the fact I don't want my children to die because they've cursed me?

Exo 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

I prefer they not be killed. Should I love this law?9

In fact, such is not representative of the nature of God. You know how I know? How about two words. Jesus Christ.
God's way is the way that He expresses aspects of His nature, such as righteousness and justice (Genesis 18:19, 2 Samuel 22:21-37) and God made His way knowing through His law (1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 119:1-3), so it is God's instructions for how to testify about aspects of His nature. The Bible also uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as it does to describe the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), which again is because it is God's instructions for how to testify about those aspects of His nature. For example, our good works testify about God's goodness, which is why they bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16).

Moreover, by doing good works, we are experiencing, believing in, and expressing our love for God's goodness. In other words, everything that God chose to command to was specifically commanded for the purpose of teaching us how to love a different aspect of His nature, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our love for God with our obedience to His commandments, so saying that there is a law that you don't love is the same as saying that there is an aspect of the nature of the God of Israel that you don't love.

In addition, the view that you have of the law matches the view that you have of the Lawgiver for giving it. For example, God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that is holy, righteous, and good can only come from a God who is holy, righteous, and good. A law that is unwise can't come from a God who is wise and so forth. The Psalms express an extremely positive view of God's law, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delight in obeying it, which certainly matched his view of the Lawgiver, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then we will share it as Paul did (Romans 7:22), while saying that there are parts of God's law that you don't love is again saying that there are parts of the nature of the God of Israel that you don't love, plus saying that is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture as well as the NT books that quote the Psalms.

Do you think that the God of Israel was wrong or unwise to command the laws that you don't love? Do you claim to know better than Him how His followers ought to live? Do you think that Jesus was in disagreement with the Father about whether these laws should be followed?
 
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Deu 25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Deu 25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

I would hope that if I'm badly losing a fight.... That my wife would do more than grab the other guy by the "secrets". However, if she did..... I wouldn't want her to lose her hand.

Should I "love" this law?

How about the fact I don't want my children to die because they've cursed me?

Exo 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

I prefer they not be killed. Should I love this law?

In fact, such is not representative of the nature of God. You know how I know? How about two words. Jesus Christ.
We don't love the law we love Jesus and one another.
 
There are those who want to unhook the OT from the NT as not inspired, ala Marcion.

Jesus Christ however also talked about the severity of God's judgments.

We must see the severity of God's hatred for sin, and that is inspired.
 
There are those who want to unhook the OT from the NT as not inspired, ala Marcion.

Jesus Christ however also talked about the severity of God's judgments.

We must see the severity of God's hatred for sin, and that is inspired.
Why are you ignoring the laws I referenced and the questions I asked concerning them?

Do you actually believe that God's nature is reflected in the commandment to kill children that curse Father or Mother?

@Soyeong will just talk around the issue and bloviate to no end....the same things over and over again without actually dealing with the subject. Just endlessly repeating his talking points.

If the law reflects God's nature then why did God act contrary to His nature to die for those who cursed Him? @Soyeong will not deal with such genuine questions. I know you believe I'm lawless but I'm here witnessing to God's loving kindness and the forgiveness of sins. While both of you believe it is vitally important that your prove yourselves by false claiming you can keep what you endlessly break. Righteous men sin. They get up and keep walking and continue to sin. It is the height of arrogance and ego to not admit what is so blatantly true about ourselves.
 
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It is contradictory to love God's word made flesh while not loving God's word.
Again. Both blessing and cursing are within the law and are dispensed at the discretion of the Mediator/Judge. Regardless of what the law demands, the Judge alone determines retribution.
 
The Law is holy and just and good.

Do I love what condemns me?

Yes, for it is still righteous.

Grace is not deserved, but it is costly!
 
The Law is holy and just and good.

Do I love what condemns me?

Yes, for it is still righteous.

Grace is not deserved, but it is costly!

Adam died before the law of Moses was ever given. Such law was "added" later. The law of sin and death is rather simple. Would you not agree? Why would then try and take what was added later as standard for the character of God?

We do not love what condemns us. We love what has freed us. Which why I often worry about you Arminians. You have a very real issue with how you see the very character of God. I rely upon the simpleness of faith as a means of hope. However, Paul was rather bold when he wrote....

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Notice his warning.... He was worried and even used the analogy of travailing "again" in birth till Christ is really formed in them.

I have concern for you all.
 
Ever read Psalm 119??

No. Never.....

Psa 119:1 Alleluia. Blessed are the blameless in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

Do you remember Paul talking about being blameless concerning the law? Do you reject his claim?

He was blameless yet he was a Unitarian that hated God's children. The law never taught you to LOVE.
 
Do you love what calls for your death of for the discretion from the Judge that has the power to set you free?
The additives that we think of the law match the additives that we think of the lawgiver, so if we think that someone gives wise laws, then we also think that they are wise for giving wise laws, so to love God's law is to love God and to not love God's law is to not love God. In other words, God's law is His instructions for how to love Him, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our love for God with our obedience to His commandments.

Choosing to experience aspects of God's nature by obeying His law is the way to love those aspects of His nature and is the way know God, which is eternal life (John 17:3), while it is contradictory to think that following God leads us to life, but following what God has instructed leads to death. For example, Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of God's law, so by expressing those aspects of His nature we are expressing our love for who God is and are knowing Him through experiencing aspects of His nature, which is eternal life. The fact that refusing to submit to God's law is what leads to death is not a very good reason for you to refuse to submit to it.

In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Christ gave himself to set us free from God's law, but in order to set us free from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to love the one who set us free from all lawlessness (Acts 21:20).
 
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