I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs.

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Maybe God just wants you to please Him.......

If all you ever do is please God, then you will have Eternity to celebrate your victories. Which makes Christianity extraordinarily personal. We're not paying our penance to God. He has already paid the price for Eternal life.

You're doing better than I am in responding without errors. I get so busy at times that I skip words and don't notice them till later.

We are all weak feeble creatures.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Maybe God just wants you to please Him.......

If all you ever do is please God, then you will have Eternity to celebrate your victories. Which makes Christianity extraordinarily personal. We're not paying our penance to God. He has already paid the price for Eternal life.

You're doing better than I am in responding without errors. I get so busy at times that I skip words and don't notice them till later.

We are all weak feeble creatures.

I am glad this Christian forum is not as active as some of the other ones I've been apart of. A couple years ago, one forum I was on was so active that when I posted something I could get so many comments that I couldn't read and process them all. I was so overwhelmed that it drove me into confusion. There was also so many bad views, or at least views that made me feel sick just reading them, and I had to finally leave the place!

I live in a human body and I need to be able to process what I'm reading. Sometimes I got to read it and go think about it for a while. On some of those forums, while I was doing my thinking they were adding more stuff to me, and then it was difficult to find the one I needed to interact with.

I don't know if I'm trying to hurt myself when I do this to myself.
But: Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. NKJV

I have been quoting that verse my whole life, and I just realized that I maybe doing that has been wrong the whole time!

The NIV reads like this: Philippians 4:13 - I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

I hear some good Christian Bible believers say, "Context is King"

10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

See how it flows with the rest of the context.

10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your[c] care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to [d]be abased, and I know how to [e]abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through [f]Christ who strengthens me.

That verse seems to be referring to what He was going through (His Examples) when He wrote the letter.

I am not saying that with the Holy Spirit giving you power that you can't do all things then. But I think we all know that 90% of the time we don't have the strength to do all things, even when the Holy Spirit is in us.

Anyways that verse popped into my head when I was complaining about not being able to process and answer all comments in a forum. Which makes me wonder, who put the verse in my head? The Holy Spirit? Or Satan trying to make me feel bad about myself and relationship with Christ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am glad this Christian forum is not as active as some of the other ones I've been apart of. A couple years ago, one forum I was on was so active that when I posted something I could get so many comments that I couldn't read and process them all. I was so overwhelmed that it drove me into confusion. There was also so many bad views, or at least views that made me feel sick just reading them, and I had to finally leave the place!

I live in a human body and I need to be able to process what I'm reading. Sometimes I got to read it and go think about it for a while. On some of those forums, while I was doing my thinking they were adding more stuff to me, and then it was difficult to find the one I needed to interact with.

I don't know if I'm trying to hurt myself when I do this to myself.
But: Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. NKJV

I have been quoting that verse my whole life, and I just realized that I maybe doing that has been wrong the whole time!

The NIV reads like this: Philippians 4:13 - I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

I hear some good Christian Bible believers say, "Context is King"

10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

See how it flows with the rest of the context.

10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your[c] care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to [d]be abased, and I know how to [e]abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through [f]Christ who strengthens me.

That verse seems to be referring to what He was going through (His Examples) when He wrote the letter.

I am not saying that with the Holy Spirit giving you power that you can't do all things then. But I think we all know that 90% of the time we don't have the strength to do all things, even when the Holy Spirit is in us.

Anyways that verse popped into my head when I was complaining about not being able to process and answer all comments in a forum. Which makes me wonder, who put the verse in my head? The Holy Spirit? Or Satan trying to make me feel bad about myself and relationship with Christ?

I agree with you.

We can know the characteristics of Satan vs the characteristics of God. Generally speaking, Christ has come to give joy and happiness, while Satan seeks to make us miserable. God has come to give us peace while Satan comes to bring trouble.

On the surface, this appears simple but in practice, it really is not.

There are times that Satan tries to mimic the goodness of God. Yet, he is incapable of being entirely good at all times and in all ways. Satan will not promote Jesus Christ alone. He will always mix Christ with something else.

Which is one of the reasons I've been appealing to you to only be concerned with satisfying Christ/God.

We also have the issue were we must "know our own desires" vs "what God has desired for us". This is one of the most difficult aspect of being a Christian. We get in the way more often than ever having to deal with Satan or his messengers directly.

We are our worst enemy and the only way to know the difference between our desires as opposed to God's desires is through experience. Through discerning our feelings. I can assure you that God the Father doesn't want you to be unhappy or unfruitful in your life. Absent open sin or a necessary "growing experience" to learn of yourself..... God is altogether GOOD toward us at all times.

So what is good in your life? What is good for you from God's perspective as opposed to your own perspective?

Even then, there are times that all you can do is lean on the "peace of God" to know where you're at in relationship to God. If you go to God and ask Him to help you and He doesn't give you peace (sometimes it is a process. you must have patience).... then why consider yourself being lead of the Spirit of God?

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

I agree with you.

We can know the characteristics of Satan vs the characteristics of God. Generally speaking, Christ has come to give joy and happiness, while Satan seeks to make us miserable. God has come to give us peace while Satan comes to bring trouble.

On the surface, this appears simple but in practice, it really is not.

There are times that Satan tries to mimic the goodness of God. Yet, he is incapable of being entirely good at all times and in all ways. Satan will not promote Jesus Christ alone. He will always mix Christ with something else.

Which is one of the reasons I've been appealing to you to only be concerned with satisfying Christ/God.

We also have the issue were we must "know our own desires" vs "what God has desired for us". This is one of the most difficult aspect of being a Christian. We get in the way more often than ever having to deal with Satan or his messengers directly.

We are our worst enemy and the only way to know the difference between our desires as opposed to God's desires is through experience. Through discerning our feelings. I can assure you that God the Father doesn't want you to be unhappy or unfruitful in your life. Absent open sin or a necessary "growing experience" to learn of yourself..... God is altogether GOOD toward us at all times.

So what is good in your life? What is good for you from God's perspective as opposed to your own perspective?

Even then, there are times that all you can do is lean on the "peace of God" to know where you're at in relationship to God. If you go to God and ask Him to help you and He doesn't give you peace (sometimes it is a process. you must have patience).... then why consider yourself being lead of the Spirit of God?

One of the reasons why I have doubt is that I can't make sense of what God is doing in my life. Because it seems like all the things are bad.

I was born with a learning disability. I got picked on, bullied, and hit and all kinds of other bad things done to me in School. Then when I get out, I have nervous breakdown. After that I lose two jobs that I tried to get. The first one was one I desired to be doing. The second one I couldn't hold down either. Went through some stuff getting this job, and while I have been able to hold it down, for 22 years. My real life is almost completely isolated, because the people at work don't want to be my friend. Also during all of this, the Church I was the most connected too fall apart and lost all my friends from there, because they won't have anything do with me. And now neither I or my parents attend Church anymore. Notice I used the word "attend". That is because all the local Bible believing Churches we tried, were not friendly to us. So we ended up just being pew setters. I look at my current life and can't figure out how God can use me. It feels like He stuffed me in a dark room to keep me out of the public eye. I know this is not the way God intends things to be, according to scripture.

When I say this is not the way God intends things to be according to scripture. What I mean is, the isolation and not being able to fit into a body of believers, is the part that I don't understand. Is God trying to teach me anything? Am I learning the lesson?

 

[Complete]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

Hello @AlwaysOnAJourney ,

I know what you are feeling, for I have felt it too. Please forgive. It will not always be like this, one day God will bring us all together unto a perfect man. I have a place in God's Word where I go when I feel besieged, it is in the letter to the Ephesians, in which there are two prayers which Paul prays for the believers at Ephesus, and they are my nest, my home from home, my hiding place. It tells me that I am accepted in the Beloved, and before God, in Christ, I am holy and without blame, because of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done. It assures me of spiritual blessings in Christ Jesus, and an inheritance which cannot be lost or taken away.

God loves you with an everlasting love, you are precious to Him, for you are His workmanship. He will keep you, and bring you through. Don't worry about a lack of knowledge, or an inability to study to the degree that you feel is expected of you, just trust in your Saviour, and cling to Him. Cast your cares upon Him for He cares for you.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs.

There's ONLY ONE thing that matters. as Paul stated, he resolved to KNOW NOTHING - EXCEPT Jesus, and Him crucified. It's the HOLY SPIRIT that convicts people of SIN, and HEARING the HOLY SPIRIT is where FAITH comes from. WHEN A person is BORN AGAIN BY FAITH, then the rest of it will take care of itself.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There's ONLY ONE thing that matters. as Paul stated, he resolved to KNOW NOTHING - EXCEPT Jesus, and Him crucified. It's the HOLY SPIRIT that convicts people of SIN, and HEARING the HOLY SPIRIT is where FAITH comes from. WHEN A person is BORN AGAIN BY FAITH, then the rest of it will take care of itself.

The words of God repeated by man can convict people of sin. The words you've chosen to express your beliefs does not present this fact. You've long talked "around" this issue. You're presenting the Calvinist position relative to the total inability to discern God apart from a personal individual work of God.

God has done everything necessary for a human being to avail themselves of the work of God in Christ Jesus the Lord. There is nothing standing in the way of a person coming to God but for the words of the Gospel. We hear them throughout our lives in various circumstances. When the Scriptures proclaim "if today you hear His voice"..... harden not your heart is an appeal to the Gospel.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

I really thank you for your sincerity and for the importance of what you have written.

There was a time in my life when I thought that it was crucial for me to hold to the right doctrines... to be "in the truth". I was worried about questions like "Which one is the true church?". What I meant was "Which is the church that holds a creed that is 100% correct"?

Why do we care so much about adhering to the right doctrines?
Why do we want certainty so desperately? Isn't God's love enough?

How much theology knew the author of Psalm 23? I think he didn't know half of what the average member of this Forum knows.
Why then was he so confident that God was with him?

Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff,
they comfort me.

 

[Selah]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

If you truly believe in Jesus, you’re saved.

 

[Rockson]

One of the reasons why I have doubt is that I can't make sense of what God is doing in my life.

You seem to have embraced a thinking everything that is happening is God doing it. There are times this is just not the case. At times God is trying to make sense just why we're doing things or not doing things that cause a certain effect in our lives.

I got picked on, bullied, and hit and all kinds of other bad things done to me in School.

You need to keep in mind though other people do have struggles. Others in school you thought had no problems they might not agree with that at all. -

Then when I get out, I have nervous breakdown.

I had a nervous breakdown too when I left school in 1975. God restored me though in time.

Went through some stuff getting this job, and while I have been able to hold it down, for 22 years.

That's pretty good.

My real life is almost completely isolated, because the people at work don't want to be my friend.

OK I"m hearing you. But that's where today you can change that AND IT CAN be changed. If you want friends you start the process of planting seeds of love and kindness to others and if you hold to that you will eventually most certainly see a change.

Also during all of this, the Church I was the most connected too fall apart and lost all my friends from there, because they won't have anything do with me.

So what did you do or what didn't you do that lead to this effect. Wherever you are on the spectrum of this that can change......one kind deed and act of love upon another eventually can change the mode.

It feels like He stuffed me in a dark room to keep me out of the public eye.

Sorry but he most certainly DID NOT. The word of God is yours and he says the entrance of his words brings light He also says in Is 58:10 what we're to do to come out of darkness. He says our light can arise out of obscurity. There are spiritual principles you can see a great many of them in Proverbs of how if we apply them will bring us joy. It's against the loving, kind, gracious character of God to say he wants you oppressed. The very opposite is true.

 

[101G]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

Why don't you do what God told you to do in the FIRST PLACE? scripture, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

that all one has to do. if one do these three things, one' doctrine/belief and theological knowledge is fulfilled.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

I believe this is a good read for those who really would like to know who Jesus is. Feel free to check it out if you would enjoy doing so... https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

 

[SteveB]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

While I'm in agreement with you regarding the various "sub-beliefs", this issue is more about the human experience. God didn’t create robots or automatons. He created human beings...

The Bible is, or should be the basis for what we all believe.

This is exactly why it's so fundamentally imperative to read the Bible over and over and over and over again.
Make a habit of reading the Bible daily and regularly.

Jesus, John, James, Jude, Peter, and Paul all warn us about not being deceived by false doctrines and false teaching.

Some church doctrines have been taken to the extreme and wind up turning Jesus followers against each other.

So.... learn to follow Jesus.
Don't believe everything you hear from the churches.

Test everything against the Bible. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
Search the Bible daily to verify things you hear. Acts 17:11.

In Hebrews 12:2, we're instructed to follow Jesus and keep our attention focused on him.

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 11:1, follow his examples as he follows Jesus.

This means- if he's off track in some way.... don't follow him. Follow Jesus. This includes people who are claiming to follow Jesus.
We don't follow the followers of Jesus. We follow Jesus. Sometimes there are some great examples out there. Compare them to the Bible.

You'll hear a lot of things over the course of your life. Focus on Jesus.

The Bible is quite capable of interpreting itself and doesn't need outside interpreting. 2 Peter 1:16-23.

 

[Keiw1]

Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off. I wish Christianity didn't have so many different sub beliefs. For some of you, engaging with different perspectives gets your motor running. For me, it makes me feel sick. I don't feel like I have the ability to stand up for myself and my Christian beliefs against other Christian beliefs. The main thing I always wanted in Christianity is love and acceptance. I also wanted people in my life that would come along side me and help me to grow in faith in the right direction. I have never found those people. Sometimes I find people who want to correct me on something, or they want to introduce me something they believe in. As far as I can tell none of that has been good for me. There have been people who have posted me a bunch of scriptures that blew me away. I hear a nagging voice in my head saying "You got to read the Bible to know the Bible" I struggle with reading comprehension. School told me that I have a learning disability so I found my way into the Bible with an audio bible. I don't know Greek, and I think it would be hard for me to learn it. I'm always in the state of feeling like "I don't get it". But I pray to Jesus. And I ask other people to pray for me. Because I want to get it. I want things to be right between me and Jesus, and I want to be able to help others. I just don't see how I can with the state I am in.

You should listen to Jesus= You MUST pray this way--Our Father. Many religions that claim to be Christian do not listen to Jesus--Here is an super important truth= Matthew 6:33--Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) = Father) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
The false religions teach to seek Jesus' righteousness first because they do not listen to Jesus.

 

[TomL]

You should listen to Jesus= You MUST pray this way--Our Father. Many religions that claim to be Christian do not listen to Jesus--Here is an super important truth= Matthew 6:33--Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) = Father) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
The false religions teach to seek Jesus' righteousness first because they do not listen to Jesus.

You are stuck with the fact both worship and prayer were directed toward Christ as well

Revelation 5:7–14 (LEB) — 7 And he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

 

[Keiw1]

You are stuck with the fact both worship and prayer were directed toward Christ as well

Revelation 5:7–14 (LEB) — 7 And he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Only in twisting what is said by those in darkness.

 

[TomL]

Only in twisting what is said by those in darkness.

It's right there in the text and you cannot deal with it. Christ is both prayed to and worshiped in heaven

Revelation 5:7–14 (LEB) — 7 And he came and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they were singing a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slaughtered, and bought people for God by your blood from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10 and made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 11 And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and of the living creatures and of the elders, and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” 13 And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying, “To the one who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

The Watchtower had fed you lies

 

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You are stuck with the fact both worship and prayer were directed toward Christ as well

Revelation 5:7–14 (LEB)
And He came and took the scroll
from the right hand of The One Who was seated on the throne.
And when He took the scroll,
the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb,
each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense,
which are the prayers of the saints.
And they were singing a new song, saying,
“You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals,
because you were slaughtered,
and bought people for God by your blood
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
and made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
And I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne
and of the living creatures and of the elders,
and their number was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands times thousands,
saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered
to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”
And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on the earth
and under the earth and in the sea and everything in them saying,
“To The One Who is seated on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.”
And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen!”
and the elders fell down and worshiped.

Praise God!

Thank you Tom.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'For ye see your calling, brethren,
.. how that not many wise men after the flesh,
.... not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
...... But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world
........ to confound the wise;
.......... and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
............ to confound the things which are mighty;
.............. And base things of the world,
................ and things which are despised,
.................. hath God chosen,
.................... yea, and things which are not,
...................... to bring to nought things that are:
........................ That no flesh should glory in His presence.
But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let Him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:26-31)