How To Be : Sinless Forever

[Behold]

Reader..

Reader,

Only the Law, can define your works of the flesh, as a SIN.
So, once Jesus has taken the Law off of the born again...as this.... ""Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law""... because ""Jesus is the END OF THE LAW.. . for Righteousness"".

Now, all the born again are "IN CHRIST"....and there is no Law found there... which means there is no law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed, as a SIN.

Now, where you are having the misunderstanding..., as most Christians are having it also, regarding this revelation, is... when you are taught that The Law can't define you as a sinner,...... then you think......that means that you would not want to do any more carnal deeds.

See that?
However, THat's not how it works.

Here is how it works.
Once you are born again, your mind is still going to, at times.. think about carnal behavior, and you have chosen to do some, READERS, since you were born again.
So, What is the difference?

The Difference, is.. that before you were "Not under the Law, but under Grace".. then the LAW could define your carnality as SINNING.
And now it can't..

See.....now that "Jesus is the END OF THE LAW", and you are born again "in Christ".. then the Law can't define you as a sinner, nor your deeds as sin, ever again.

The born again exist here...

= "Where there is no Law........there is no SIN.. no TRANSGRESSION">..

See that?
That is where the born again exist forever........ and that is what the NT refers to as : "liberty in Christ"..

= "not under the Law......but under Grace".

See it?

So, this means, that when you mess up, and chose it.. chose to do it... then Paul teaches it like this... "Use NOT YOUR LIBERTY, for an occasion to the FLESH".

See that?
Paul does not call that choice to watch some Dirty Netflix Movie, a "sin"... and that is because there is no LAW over the born again, that can define it as a sin...., ever again.
Its carnal, and its flesh, and its wrong..... but "where there is no Law, there is no SIN". There is no Law over the born again that can define them as a sinner and their carnal behavior as sin.

Reader, Salvation produces 2 Situations, regarding "sin".

1.) God never charges sin to a Believer,

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

because their is no justification, because the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) "God hath Made JESUS to BE SIN for US", because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice.. for sin".


See those 2?

They are showing the BORN AGAIN.. that the Law cant judged you as a sinner, nor will God.
This is why the born again all meet God after you die, as your Heavenly FATHER, and not your eternal JUDGE.

Now, why do you have to understand what im showing you and believe it.?
Its because once you do, then the Grace of God, will empower you to live Holy.

Reader, when you understand that you are "made free from sin".."made Righteous", and "not under the Law">.. then this does not cause you to want to live in carnality, it actually empowers you to WANT to live more HOLY and MORE HOLY.
That is the constant effect of this revelation knowledge.

And until you see what im showing you, and believe it.... then you will think of yourself falsely as a "sinner", and you will resist sin in your willpower, and that caused this to happen to you...

= "the Law is the power of sin, and the power of sin, is the LAW".. .so, you are causing that to enflame your desire to sin, and that makes it worse..

Here is a spiritual principal.. Its the fact that you are not under the Law,.. but, if you "fall from Grace".. if you begin to try to resist sin by willpower, while you try to keep yourself saved, then you are putting yourself in a place, where your carnality will behave as if its under the Law, and you will find it impossible to not sin, or have complete confidence in God's Salvation.

So, you have to come to the revelation that you are made free from sin.......that you are not under the law........and you exist here...

A.) = "where there is no law, there is no sin, no transgression". "IN CHRIST">...

When you "get this revelation" of who you have become, as a "New Creation" "In Christ" ....then the first day of your literal walk of Faith, in the Knowledge of God, has begun.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Law is for instruction in righteousness.

True, biblical Christianity is to and for the children of Israel only. When the thousands of Jews became born-again, they held closer to the Law of Moses than ever before.
Three thousand Jews were born-again on Pentecost, and thousands more every day were becoming born-again in Christ since the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL was being fulfilled and Christ added thousands to His Church daily such as should be saved.

 

[Behold]

The Law is for instruction in righteousness.

The Law is designed to show you your sin, so that you turn to Christ for God's Forgiveness, and Salvaition.

True, biblical Christianity is to and for the children of Israel only.

When Israel was Created, there was no "Cross of Christ".

So, there were no "CHRISTians".....found, yet.

But now that Christ's Cross has been given to the WORLD..... John 3:16, then as many as will BELIEVE, shall become a "new Creation" "In Christ".

This is the NT "Church".

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Law is designed to show you your sin, so that you turn to Christ for God's Forgiveness, and Salvaition.

Scripture says otherwise. Although the mere presence of the Law does show one, they are not able to keep every aspect of the Law of Moses the result is that this would be sinful and in this is the revelation that one's sin is revealed. But the purpose of the Law was to teach the children of Israel how they were to live and conduct their lives because it clearly showed them God's righteous standard for acceptance to God and itself was given for doctrine, reproof against false teaching wrongly concluded, correction of one's beliefs towards the standards of God's righteousness, and for instruction in righteousness, which is finally realized when one becomes spiritual through being born-again. While living only under the letter of the Law was the only way for the children of Israel to live, once the person was born-again by the Spirit they were justified and through the process of sanctification of the same Spirit are made/conformed into the image of Christ who is the image of the Father.

The Law was made to "bring God's people to Christ"

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal. 3:24–26.

It doesn't say after one is born again, they are no longer under the Law, but that after the have "come to Christ" and that purpose has been realized there is no longer any need to "come to Christ" since the person is already there with Christ in that sense which the Law was given to do.

The Law instructed in [God's righteous requirement]

16 All scripture (including the Law) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16–17.

First and foremost, the Law is for doctrine. And continuing with doctrine to reprove someone who doesn't agree with established truthful doctrine, then to correct one holding false doctrine, and for the doctrine which teaches one in God's righteousness.

When Israel was Created, there was no "Cross of Christ".

When the children of Israel were in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle Moses prophesied that God would raise up a deliverer like him from among the people to deliver the people.

15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deut. 18:15.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deut. 18:18.

God then proceeded to assign each tribe their camp allotment around the Tabernacle. Three tribes to the north, three tribes to the east, three tribes to the south, and three tribes from the west. From the air the encampments around the Tabernacle made the shape of an "x" or cross. There were no tribes camped to the northwest, or northeast, etc. So, yes, when Israel was founded by the giving of the Law there was a cross of Christ or the "Spirit." From the first son of Jacob whom the LORD changed his name to "Israel" there was and "Israel" born, not created. Creation was a one-time act of God and was in the loins of Adam just as Levi was in the loins of Abraham and paid tithes to Melchizedek.
But it was when God gave the children of Jacob/Israel (over three million souls) His Law then Israel effectively became a nation.

So, there were no "CHRISTians".....found, yet.

From the first prophecy given to the serpent - not to Adam or the woman - among the obedient people of God and seed of the woman (Seth, Noah, Abraham, etc) there were those who understood their "Prophet like unto Moses" would be [the] Anointed One" which the Hebrew word is "Messias." Translated to Greek the word is "Christos." Every child of Abraham who looked forward to Messiah in Hebrew looked forward the "Christos" in Greek and "Christ" in English, so, yes, the children of Israel were ALL Christian.

But now that Christ's Cross has been given to the WORLD..... John 3:16, then as many as will BELIEVE, shall become a "new Creation" "In Christ".

Everything God gave to anyone was given to and for the children of Israel ONLY. Beginning with the promises God gave to Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), extended to his seed (Gen. 17:7), continuing with the children of Israel in the Mosaic Covenant, and the Mosaic Covenant being fulfilled by Christ becoming a New Covenant. All three covenant are between God, Abram, Abram's seed, the children of Israel, and concluding with the New Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah (Jer. 31:31-34.)
God promised nothing to non-Hebrew Gentiles. Any interpretation of the New Testament that contradicts what has been written in the Old Testament is to be rejected as false and a lie, including your false belief that contradicts with the Hebrew Scripture that non-Hebrew Gentiles are in any of the three Hebrew Covenants, which they are not.

The new creation in Christ, or the Spirit, is a Jew who has been born-again. Three thousand Jews were born again on Pentecost when the Holy Spirit of Truth PROMISED TO ISRAEL by the prophet Joel was given to 3000 Jews on Pentecost upon His first arrival. After thyat, Acts 2:47 says Christ added thousands every day to His Church such as should be saved (meaning those in covenant with God a.k.a. the children of Israel.)

This is the NT "Church".

True, biblical Christianity as proven above is only Israel. God promised nothing to non-Hebrew Gentiles.

 

[Behold]

Scripture says otherwise.

Nonsense.

There was no Cross of Christ in the Old Testament.
You can't have a Cross of Christ when there is no Jesus born of a Virgin in the OT.
You do realize this, @jeremiah1five ??
So, your cult teaches otherwise., as you've posted.
Thats on you... so....dont put that theological dung on the real believers,

 

[jeremiah1five]

Nonsense.

There was no Cross of Christ in the Old Testament.
You can't have a Cross of Christ when there is no Jesus born of a Virgin in the OT.
You do realize this, @jeremiah1five ??
So, your cult teaches otherwise., as you've posted.
Thats on you... so....dont put that theological dung on the real believers,

If there was no cross in the Old Testament, then there is no cross in the New Testament. Do you know how stupid that is? Of course, there is a cross in the Old Testament and I proved it to you already that the encampments of God of the twelve tribes of Israel around the Tabernacle from the air make the shape of an "X" or a cross. Even the serpent on a pole prefigured a cross.

The Hebrew letter corresponding to the Greek "tau" and the English "T" is called tav. It is the 22nd and final letter of the Hebrew alphabet.
The shape of the Hebrew letter tav (ת) is a vertical line with a horizontal line extending from its top.

It is worth noting that the ancient form of tav was a cross, which has led to some interesting interpretations and symbolism in various religious and mystical traditions.

Learn something. You do not understand, nor do you believe what Jesus said about, "Scripture cannot be broken" (speaking of the Hebrew Scripture.) This means that what is written in the Old Testament on the subject of saving and salvation must first be written in the Old Testament in order to exist in the New Testament. If there is no Old Testament precedent, then there is no New Testament reality. A perfect example of this is the Tabernacle. The Tabernacle is and contains every aspect of the Deliverer and "Prophet like unto Moses" God was to send in covenant in order to save His covenant/Promised people: The bread, the candlestick, the candles, the altar, everything about the Savior to come was prophesied in the elements contained in the Tabernacle.
The Tabernacle is the body in which everything inside the Tabernacle/Body prefigures some aspect of the Promised Redeemer within the covenant of Moses (Mosaic Covenant.) The Bread of Life, the Light of the world, etc. is found in the pages/scrolls of the Old Testament witness. If someone is claiming something in the New Testament as part of the salvation of God, then it must be found in the Old Testament. The shewbread represented Messiah as the Bread of Life. The candle and candlestick represented Messiah as the Light of the world. It is by what is written in the Old Testament which describes and identifies the One to come who was to fulfill all these representations of some aspect of the Promised One, from His Person to His work - everything. It is the Hebrew Scripture that lays the cookie-cutter shape of the One Promised to come. Many prophets that claimed to be the One Moses wrote about may have fulfilled some prophecies in which to identify Israel's Promised Deliverer, but it was One - Jesus of Nazareth - who fulfilled ALL the prophecies in the Hebrew Scripture the Hebrew people were to use in order to identify Israel's true Deliverer. Why do you think it says, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Lk. 24:27.

In order to claim Jesus of Nazareth was the Promised One He must fulfill every prophecy and representation of Messiah written about in the Old Testament. In order to claim non-Hebrew Gentiles" are objects of salvation it must be proven first in the Old Testament, that there are representations, prophecies, identifying marks in the Old Testament before anyone can claim non-Hebrew Gentiles are a saved group of people, and that if "you" cannot show in the Old Testament writings non-Hebrews saved, then you cannot claim in the New Testament non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved. To do so without Old Testament proof is to break Scripture because now you are adding to the bible/Scripture things that are not there.

So, get a clue. God has made no covenant with non-Hebrews in the Old Testament therefore there is no salvation for non-Hebrew Gentiles. If it is not chapter and verse, then it is chatter or worse.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

So, get a clue. God has made no covenant with non-Hebrews in the Old Testament therefore there is no salvation for non-Hebrew Gentiles. If it is not chapter and verse, then it is chatter or worse.

False.
Chatter can precede chapter and verse, if guided by reason and the Holy Spirit.
Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of good and evil.
Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of repentance and forgiveness.
Biblical authors take for granted that the vast majority of their readers have had some chatter with their parents and grandparents in advance.
Fortunately, both Hebrews and non-Hebrews are generally blessed with parents or grandparents who can help to embed those notions.

 

[jeremiah1five]

False.
Chatter can precede chapter and verse, if guided by reason and the Holy Spirit.
Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of good and evil.
Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of repentance and forgiveness.
Biblical authors take for granted that the vast majority of their readers have had some chatter with their parents and grandparents in advance.
Fortunately, both Hebrews and non-Hebrews are generally blessed with parents or grandparents who can help to embed those notions.

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You're at a Christian forum. You're not here to ask questions but in your ignorance of the Scripture you are posting lies and errors about our faith.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You're at a Christian forum. You're not here to ask questions but in your ignorance of the Scripture you are posting lies and errors about our faith.

If I'm posting lies and errors, please do your homework and refute them.
That's the purpose of a debate in a Forum.
So far, every single argument you have presented in favor of a genetically-based soteriology has been refuted by Scripture, History and reason.

So now you have a new chance to refute what I say. I insist:

• Chatter can precede chapter and verse, if guided by reason and the Holy Spirit.
• Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of good and evil.
• Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of repentance and forgiveness.
• Biblical authors take for granted that the vast majority of their readers have had some chatter with their parents and grandparents in advance.
• Fortunately, both Hebrews and non-Hebrews are generally blessed with parents or grandparents who can help to embed those notions.

 

[jeremiah1five]

If I'm posting lies and errors, please do your homework and refute them.
That's the purpose of a debate in a Forum.
So far, every single argument you have presented in favor of a genetically-based soteriology has been refuted by Scripture, History and reason.

So now you have a new chance to refute what I say. I insist:

• Chatter can precede chapter and verse, if guided by reason and the Holy Spirit.
• Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of good and evil.
• Chapter and verse are NOT the source of our notions of repentance and forgiveness.
• Biblical authors take for granted that the vast majority of their readers have had some chatter with their parents and grandparents in advance.
• Fortunately, both Hebrews and non-Hebrews are generally blessed with parents or grandparents who can help to embed those notions.

You don't even know what Doctrines of Christ is. Unbelievers may be able to interpret John 11:35 and be correct, but the system of doctrine in true, biblical Christianity is under the command of the Spirit who guides the true born of God into ALL truth. The unsaved such as yourself would get 10% of doctrine correct and be 90% in error overall, while those under the anointing would be in error 10% of the time and have their understanding in the other 90% correct. The Lord knows them that are His. And in time with application of Scripture and in due time, so do I. It's called testing the spirit and the Lord reveals what I need to know when I need to know it about those who claim the Name of my Savior but practice eastern religions like Baha'i of any other ungodly religion.
There is only ONE God.
There is NONE like Him.
And He gives His glory to NO ONE who is not found in the book of life of the lamb slain.

 

[MTMattie]

Reader..

Reader,

Only the Law, can define your works of the flesh, as a SIN.
So, once Jesus has taken the Law off of the born again...as this.... ""Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law""... because ""Jesus is the END OF THE LAW.. . for Righteousness"".

Now, all the born again are "IN CHRIST"....and there is no Law found there... which means there is no law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed, as a SIN.

Now, where you are having the misunderstanding..., as most Christians are having it also, regarding this revelation, is... when you are taught that The Law can't define you as a sinner,...... then you think......that means that you would not want to do any more carnal deeds.

See that?
However, THat's not how it works.

Here is how it works.
Once you are born again, your mind is still going to, at times.. think about carnal behavior, and you have chosen to do some, READERS, since you were born again.
So, What is the difference?

The Difference, is.. that before you were "Not under the Law, but under Grace".. then the LAW could define your carnality as SINNING.
And now it can't..

See.....now that "Jesus is the END OF THE LAW", and you are born again "in Christ".. then the Law can't define you as a sinner, nor your deeds as sin, ever again.

The born again exist here...

= "Where there is no Law........there is no SIN.. no TRANSGRESSION">..

See that?
That is where the born again exist forever........ and that is what the NT refers to as : "liberty in Christ"..

= "not under the Law......but under Grace".

See it?

So, this means, that when you mess up, and chose it.. chose to do it... then Paul teaches it like this... "Use NOT YOUR LIBERTY, for an occasion to the FLESH".

See that?
Paul does not call that choice to watch some Dirty Netflix Movie, a "sin"... and that is because there is no LAW over the born again, that can define it as a sin...., ever again.
Its carnal, and its flesh, and its wrong..... but "where there is no Law, there is no SIN". There is no Law over the born again that can define them as a sinner and their carnal behavior as sin.

Reader, Salvation produces 2 Situations, regarding "sin".

1.) God never charges sin to a Believer,

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

because their is no justification, because the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"

2.) "God hath Made JESUS to BE SIN for US", because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice.. for sin".


See those 2?

They are showing the BORN AGAIN.. that the Law cant judged you as a sinner, nor will God.
This is why the born again all meet God after you die, as your Heavenly FATHER, and not your eternal JUDGE.

Now, why do you have to understand what im showing you and believe it.?
Its because once you do, then the Grace of God, will empower you to live Holy.

Reader, when you understand that you are "made free from sin".."made Righteous", and "not under the Law">.. then this does not cause you to want to live in carnality, it actually empowers you to WANT to live more HOLY and MORE HOLY.
That is the constant effect of this revelation knowledge.

And until you see what im showing you, and believe it.... then you will think of yourself falsely as a "sinner", and you will resist sin in your willpower, and that caused this to happen to you...

= "the Law is the power of sin, and the power of sin, is the LAW".. .so, you are causing that to enflame your desire to sin, and that makes it worse..

Here is a spiritual principal.. Its the fact that you are not under the Law,.. but, if you "fall from Grace".. if you begin to try to resist sin by willpower, while you try to keep yourself saved, then you are putting yourself in a place, where your carnality will behave as if its under the Law, and you will find it impossible to not sin, or have complete confidence in God's Salvation.

So, you have to come to the revelation that you are made free from sin.......that you are not under the law........and you exist here...

A.) = "where there is no law, there is no sin, no transgression". "IN CHRIST">...

When you "get this revelation" of who you have become, as a "New Creation" "In Christ" ....then the first day of your literal walk of Faith, in the Knowledge of God, has begun.

Quick question.

Re: the born again person.

If God remembers sin no more and it is wiped away... even sin committed in the future either willingly or by circumstance... how does this apply?

Hebrews 10:26​

For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,​

The chapter copied in full below (KJV because many will only read that even though it too has its faults)
Certain verses bolded and colored.

Hebrews 10​

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King James Version​

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things ,can never with
those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. (note: His people........?)

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazing stock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Blessings,

Rella

 

[Obadiah]

Quick question.

Re: the born again person.

If God remembers sin no more and it is wiped away... even sin committed in the future either willingly or by circumstance... how does this apply?

Hebrews 10:26​

For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,​

The verse is about deliberately rejecting Christ after saying you know him, and means that there is no other way to remove sin. It's not about normal Christian growth or backsliding into sin.

It is a warning against drifting away from Jesus, neglecting the New Covenant, and consciously sinning. It's a clear definition of apostasy, which is when someone receives knowledge of the truth but willfully rejects it.

Jesus had this to say about them:

I Never Knew You​

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Matthew 7:21-23
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[e v e]

Reader..

Reader,

Only the Law, can define your works of the flesh, as a SIN.
So, once Jesus has taken the Law off of the born again...as this.... ""Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law""... because ""Jesus is the END OF THE LAW.. . for Righteousness"".

no. you are mixing things.

there are two laws/realms. one is the satanic one whose nature = sin and death.

God is Life.

Now, all the born again are "IN CHRIST"....and there is no Law found there...

untrue. thats lawlessness.

which means there is no law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed, as a SIN.

God does not judge then?



the rest of it is so strained confusion.



Carnal = this ape body not made by God not simply just filling the needs and wants of this sin body as sins.

Sin = this body not made by God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Reader..
Reader,
Only the Law, can define your works of the flesh, as a SIN.
So, once Jesus has taken the Law off of the born again...as this.... ""Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the Law""... because ""Jesus is the END OF THE LAW.. . for Righteousness"".

I read your comment and there are many, many errors in the things you say against what Scripture teaches.
First thing is that you post the Scripture above as though it applies to Gentiles, and it doesn't. The New Covenant writings were written to Jews and Jewish Christians who are in covenant with God. But you make them apply to Gentiles and that is so extremely far from the truth. The only people who were under the Law were the Hebrews, the seed of Abraham. Their Messiah (Christ) has redeemed THEM from the curse of the Law they were under. So, how can you add Gentiles as being under the Law and Israel's Messiah "redeeming Gentiles from the curse of the Law?" Gentiles were NEVER under the Law to begin with. And yet you insert Gentiles into the text when Saul was writing to Jews and Jewish Christians???

Now, all the born again are "IN CHRIST"....and there is no Law found there... which means there is no law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed, as a SIN.

More lies and errors.
The born-again were Jews not Gentiles. The Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL birthed Jews into the Church Christ promised to build. Three thousand Jews were born-again when the Spirit of Promise arrived as recorded in Acts 2. Then you say "there is no Law found there" which is more lies. You also lie when you say [of Gentiles who were NEVER under the Law that] "there is no Law that can judge your works of the flesh, your carnal deed as sin," which is more error on your part.

If "there is no Law there that can judge your works" then upon what does the Holy Spirit convict you of? When a Christian sins and the Holy Spirit is grieved or vexed, upon what Law are you convicted of transgressing if you say, "there is no Law there?" Does the Spirit convict you of breaking Roman law? Or Persian law? NO! The Spirit convicts a person of transgressing God's Law which is the Mosaic Law given to the children of Israel. BUT you say, "there is no Law there." So, if a person sins then upon what Law are they guilty of transgressing except God's Law. But you say, "there is no Law there." And by saying that evidence that you are in grave error. First, your error is to apply the Law to Gentiles in one sentence and then say "there is no Law there" in which to transgress in the next sentence. More lies and error.

Now, where you are having the misunderstanding..., as most Christians are having it also, regarding this revelation, is... when you are taught that The Law can't define you as a sinner,...... then you think......that means that you would not want to do any more carnal deeds.

YOU'RE the one who is having misunderstanding about the Law of Moses and what Scripture teaches about the Law and how it related to natural Olive tree Israel and the spiritual Olive tree Israel after being born again.
The Law DOES indeed define a person of being a sinner. But it also defines a person of being righteous before God, too. The Mosaic Law given to the children of Israel does both. And given your comment I can tell you really don't understand what you are saying.

See that?
However, THat's not how it works.
Here is how it works.
Once you are born again, your mind is still going to, at times.. think about carnal behavior, and you have chosen to do some, READERS, since you were born again.
So, What is the difference?
The Difference, is.. that before you were "Not under the Law, but under Grace".. then the LAW could define your carnality as SINNING.
And now it can't..

Good Lord. Really? Believe me, that is NOT "how it works." You COMPLETELY misunderstand what Paul meant when he said, "you (Jews) are not under the Law but under grace." I'd ask you to reread that comment again and take what Saul said in context to the whole discussion. But you take one statement like the above and go around believing and teaching [we] "are not under the Law but under grace" to teach the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete" when the Law of Moses is very much in existence and alive to the new-born believer, a newborn believer who is also of the children of Israel and to whom the Law of Moses applies to. How can a Gentile - YOU - tell the Jews they are not under the Mosaic Law covenant? Where do you get the authority to tell the children of Israel, they are not under the Law anymore? How arrogant is that??? The Mosaic Law God gave TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL is eternal and is still in forced to the Hebrew people. It's THEIR covenant. You're not in covenant with God to begin with and you're going to tell the Jews they are not under the Law of Moses God gave to Moses to give the Jews?? That's like you - an infidel - telling Muslims that Mohammad and their Quran doesn't apply to them. And yet here you are, a Gentile, telling a Jew the Law of Moses doesn't apply to them anymore!!?? WOW!! But you're not as a Gentile telling a Jew they are not under the Law but under grace, you're telling a Gentile they are not under the Law but under grace, but how can that be when Gentiles were NEVER under the Law to begin with. Do you see the inconsistency and lie of that statement you make?

See.....now that "Jesus is the END OF THE LAW", and you are born again "in Christ".. then the Law can't define you as a sinner, nor your deeds as sin, ever again.

Again, you are a Gentile who was NEVER under the Law of Moses and you're telling a fellow Gentile who was never under the Law as well, that they are not under the Law but under grace?? In the passage you are quoting written by Saul we can see that his statement "ye are not under the Law but under grace" refers to the Jews and Jewish Christians Saul was writing to. He cannot be referring to non-Hebrew Gentiles because the non-Hebrew Gentiles were NEVER under the Law of Moses to begin with. Just more lies and errors coming from you. Behold, you really do not know anything about what you're commenting on.

The born again exist here...
= "Where there is no Law........there is no SIN.. no TRANSGRESSION">..
See that?
That is where the born again exist forever........ and that is what the NT refers to as : "liberty in Christ"..
= "not under the Law......but under Grace".
See it?

What I see is that you do not know anything about what Saul is writing on the subject of the Law and salvation/redemption in general. But what troubles me more is that you are too blind to see your error and your lies that come from your error. Were Gentiles ever under the Law of Moses? NO, they weren't. So how can you add them in now and say Saul is writing to Gentiles and "you are not under the Law but under grace" apply to Gentiles???
Wow!

So, this means, that when you mess up, and chose it.. chose to do it... then Paul teaches it like this... "Use NOT YOUR LIBERTY, for an occasion to the FLESH".

See that?
Paul does not call that choice to watch some Dirty Netflix Movie, a "sin"... and that is because there is no LAW over the born again, that can define it as a sin...., ever again.

Again, and again, and again, Gentiles were never under the Law of Moses. So, how can you add them in after the fact and then apply what Saul was saying to Jews and Jewish Christians as applying ti Gentiles? THAT is what's really "messed up."

Its carnal, and its flesh, and its wrong..... but "where there is no Law, there is no SIN". There is no Law over the born again that can define them as a sinner and their carnal behavior as sin.

So, according to you, if there is no Law then there is no sin, and I have to ask...upon what is the Holy Spirit convicting someone of sin? If there is no Law anymore, then the Holy Spirit convicting someone of sin is not really the Holy Spirit because according to you there is no Law existing to break and cause the Spirit to convict someone of. Boy, you are one mixed up person.

Reader, Salvation produces 2 Situations, regarding "sin".

1.) God never charges sin to a Believer,
Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17
because their is no justification, because the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace"
2.) "God hath Made JESUS to BE SIN for US", because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice.. for sin".

So, according to you if a born-again believer sins it's really not a sin because there is no Law to transgress anymore. How does that work??
IF "God never charges sin to a believer" then why does the Holy Spirit convict someone of sin if there is no Law to sin against??
IF "God never charges sin to a believer" then the Holy Spirit convicting us of some sin or transgression is only the Spirit messing with us. Right?
Phunny.

See those 2?
They are showing the BORN AGAIN.. that the Law cant judged you as a sinner, nor will God.
This is why the born again all meet God after you die, as your Heavenly FATHER, and not your eternal JUDGE.

Now, why do you have to understand what im showing you and believe it.?
Its because once you do, then the Grace of God, will empower you to live Holy.

Reader, when you understand that you are "made free from sin".."made Righteous", and "not under the Law">.. then this does not cause you to want to live in carnality, it actually empowers you to WANT to live more HOLY and MORE HOLY.
That is the constant effect of this revelation knowledge.

That, too, is funny. More error and lies.

And until you see what im showing you, and believe it.... then you will think of yourself falsely as a "sinner", and you will resist sin in your willpower, and that caused this to happen to you...

= "the Law is the power of sin, and the power of sin, is the LAW".. .so, you are causing that to enflame your desire to sin, and that makes it worse..

Here is a spiritual principal.. Its the fact that you are not under the Law,.. but, if you "fall from Grace".. if you begin to try to resist sin by willpower, while you try to keep yourself saved, then you are putting yourself in a place, where your carnality will behave as if its under the Law, and you will find it impossible to not sin, or have complete confidence in God's Salvation.

More error and lies. I think you should put down that Gentile garbage you are reading and spend more time with a good translation and under the anointing and study more. Maybe in time the Lord lead you into all truth because there is someone right now leading you into more error and lies. And no lie is of the truth and the one that lies does not have the kingdom of God living in them but the kingdom of death.

So, you have to come to the revelation that you are made free from sin.......that you are not under the law........and you exist here...

A.) = "where there is no law, there is no sin, no transgression". "IN CHRIST">...

When you "get this revelation" of who you have become, as a "New Creation" "In Christ" ....then the first day of your literal walk of Faith, in the Knowledge of God, has begun.

It is YOU that needs to get a "revelation."

Everything you said here above is boo-boo.