Following Truth

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Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is truth.

Are you in favor of following truth or not? If not, why not?
 
Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is truth.

The Law is holy, and the commandments are pure.

And they define us as a SINNER.

That is their PURPOSE before we are born again.....
They LEAD US TO The Cross so that God can deal with our sin through the Holy BLOOD of Jesus.

AFTER this...

We use the Commandments as a lifestyle boundary., but never do we think of them as part of God's Salvation.

See, the Law and Commandments, and water baptism, did not die on the CROSS for our SIN.

If they did, then go right ahead and preach the gospel of Law and Commandment keeping.
If they didnt, then get away from that ERROR., or you become this one..

Galatians 1:8
 
The Law is holy, and the commandments are pure.

And they define us as a SINNER.

That is their PURPOSE before we are born again.....
They LEAD US TO The Cross so that God can deal with our sin through the Holy BLOOD of Jesus.

AFTER this...

We use the Commandments as a lifestyle boundary., but never do we think of them as part of God's Salvation.

See, the Law and Commandments, and water baptism, did not die on the CROSS for our SIN.

If they did, then go right ahead and preach the gospel of Law and Commandment keeping.
If they didnt, then get away from that ERROR., or you become this one..

Galatians 1:8
Please directly answer my question.

The point of God's law revealing our sin is to lead us to repent and to return to obedience to it.

Someone who is a chip off the old block is someone who has the same character or nature as their father expressed through doing the same works as them and this the sense of what we are becoming when we become born again. This is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact image of God's nature, which expressed through setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so that is also the sense that we are born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. Likewise, in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so the way that people become born again as children of Abraham and that the children of Abraham are multiplied in accordance with the promise is by turning people from their wickedness and teaching them to do the same works as Abraham in accordance with spreading the Gospel that was made known in advance to him (Galatians 3:8). This is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God (1 John 2:6) and why those who are born again of the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds sets of the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of first obeying God's law, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it.

I agree that God's word did not die on the cross, but rather God's word made flesh died on the cross. In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, and Galatians 1:8 should not be misinterpreted as speaking against the Gospel of Grace that Christ and Paul taught.
 
The point of God's law revealing our sin is to lead us to repent and to return to obedience to it.


The "point" of the Cross of Christ is to forgive you of all your sin, that is defined by the LAW and 10 Commandments.

If you go back to the Law, which is the OLD COVENANT, you have to reject the Cross, which is the New Covenant, on your way BACK.
 
The "point" of the Cross of Christ is to forgive you of all your sin, that is defined by the LAW and 10 Commandments.

If you go back to the Law, which is the OLD COVENANT, you have to reject the Cross, which is the New Covenant, on your way BACK.
In Titus 2:14, it does just say that Jesus gave himself to redeem is from all lawlessness, but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20), while the way to reject the cross is by returning to the lawlessness that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts.
 
In Titus 2:14, it does just say that Jesus gave himself to redeem is from all lawlessness, but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works,

Yes, that is the FRUIT of Redemption.

our Discipleship, follows our Salvation...........Its not our salvation, its the fruit of our Salvation.

Its Because i am born again as = eternally redeemed by Jesus's sacrifice, i NOW go and produce a LIFESTYLE that represents the fact that i have become a "new Creation in Christ", based on God's Redemption that i have RECEIVED as "the Gift of Righteousness" and "the Gift of Salvation".
 
Yes, that is the FRUIT of Redemption.

our Discipleship, follows our Salvation...........Its not our salvation, its the fruit of our Salvation.

Its Because i am born again as = eternally redeemed by Jesus's sacrifice, i NOW go and produce a LIFESTYLE that represents the fact that i have become a "new Creation in Christ", based on God's Redemption that i have RECEIVED as "the Gift of Righteousness" and "the Gift of Salvation".
Please directly answer my question in the OP.
 
You didnt ask a question, in that post.
You just restated your Titus verse, again, and so forth.

If you have a question, then just ask the question.
I said:

"Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is truth.

Are you in favor of following truth or not? If not, why not?"
 
I said:

"Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is truth.

Are you in favor of following truth or not? If not, why not?"

Your verse does not say that the Law is righteousness.

So, if you are filled with the Law, its nothing, as its not righteousness.

Who is?

Jesus is our Righteousness, apart from the Law.

The born again, have become "THE.... RIGHTEOUSNESS....OF GOD..........in Christ".

"Christ is.....THE END....>OF....THE LAW........for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES"

The born again are ... "NOT....UNDER >.. THE LAW, but under.... = Grace".
 
Your verse does not say that the Law is righteousness.

So, if you are filled with the Law, its nothing, as its not righteousness.

Who is?

Jesus is our Righteousness, apart from the Law.

The born again, have become "THE.... RIGHTEOUSNESS....OF GOD..........in Christ".

"Christ is.....THE END....>OF....THE LAW........for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES"

The born again are ... "NOT....UNDER >.. THE LAW, but under.... = Grace".
In Romans 7:12, God's law is holy, righteous, and good. While Jesus is our righteousness, he is also the embodiment of God's word, so us embodying God's word through following his example is the way that he is our righteousness. Jesus expressed the righteousness of God through walking in sinless obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we have become the righteousness of God. The way to believe in the righteousness of God as being our guide for how to rightly live is by obediently relying on God's instructions for how to do that found in His law, and God teaching us to do that is what it means to be under grace (Psalms 119:29). While I agree that we are not under the law, the law that we are not under is the law of sin. It should not make sense to you to interpret Paul as teaching rebellion against God and should make even less sense to you for you interpret him as teaching that and then conclude that we should follow Paul instead of God.
 
Jesus expressed the righteousness of God through walking in sinless obedience to God's law,


Jesus is God's Righteousness.
Not the Law, and not trying to be like Christ.

God's righteousness, is apart from the Law, .. Its "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

All the born again have this, as all the born again are "in Christ".

Unbelievers, are under the Law.

The born again, are "not under the curse of the Law", because "Christ has redeemed the born again from the curse of the Law".

The born again are "under Grace".
 
Jesus is God's Righteousness.
Not the Law, and not trying to be like Christ.

God's righteousness, is apart from the Law, .. Its "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

All the born again have this, as all the born again are "in Christ".

Unbelievers, are under the Law.

The born again, are "not under the curse of the Law", because "Christ has redeemed the born again from the curse of the Law".

The born again are "under Grace".
Indeed, Christ is God's righteousness, which he practiced by setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, all who are born again are followers of his example because those who are not are not born again (1 John 3:10), and all who are in Christ are followers of his example because those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6),

The one way to become someone who has a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have practiced it first as through it were earned as a wage, becoming someone who has a character trait means becoming someone who practices it, and it would be contradictory to become someone who has a character trait apart from becoming someone who practices it. For example, the way to become courageous is through faith apart from being required to have practices it as through it were earned as a wage, becoming someone who is courageous means becoming someone who practices courageousness, and it would be contradictory to become courageous apart from becoming someone who practices courageousness. The some goes for any other character trait, including becoming righteous.

God is sovereign, so everyone is under the blessing of His law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, which is what it means to be under grace.
 
Psalms 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is truth.

Are you in favor of following truth or not? If not, why not?

The Christ, of the Bible, says "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

David, in the same Psalms also says;

172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

So because of these and many other instructions Inspired by the God of Abraham to have written for my admonition, I am in favor of following God's Truth, as defined by Him in His Inspired Word.
 
Indeed, Christ is God's righteousness, which he practiced by setting a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law,

Christ had to fulfill the law so that we could be freed from the Law.

The born again are '"not under the Law.......but under Grace".

"The Law came by Moses.....Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ"

Stop chasing Moses, and start agreeing with the Cross.
 
Christ had to fulfill the law so that we could be freed from the Law.
Nowhere does the Bible state that. On the contrary, in Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill God's law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish in addition to warning against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to do the same. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, but you do not consistently interpret that being freed from the Law of Christ. Likewise, in Romans 15:18-19, Paul fulfilled the Gospel by bringing Gentiles to obedience to it in word and in deed, but you do not consistently interpret that as freeing us from the Gospel. Rather, Christ fulfilled the law by "causing God's will (as made know in His law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so he fulfilled the law by spending his ministry teaching us how to correctly obey it as it should be by word and by example.

The born again are '"not under the Law.......but under Grace".
While I agree that we are not under the law, the law that Paul described us as not being under is the law of sin, not the law of God.

"The Law came by Moses.....Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ"
In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so grace and truth came by Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching us how to correctly obey it by word and by example.

Stop chasing Moses, and start agreeing with the Cross.
In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to agree with the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to disagree with the cross.
 
While I agree that we are not under the law, the law that Paul described us as not being under is the law of sin, not the law of God.


"The Law is the power of Sin" "The power of sin is the Law"

= "Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE of the Law".

Dont go back to the Law, as its a curse to you.

Christians are to 'walk in the Spirit" and that is not "under the Law".

The law is the letter and the letter is death.
 
"The Law is the power of Sin" "The power of sin is the Law"
A law that is the power of sin is a law that is sinful, however, Romans 7:7 says that the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, therefore 1 Corinthians 15:56 is not referring to the Law of God, but rather it is the law of sin that is the power of sin.

= "Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE of the Law".

Dont go back to the Law, as its a curse to you.
God did not give His law as a curse to His children, but in order to teach us how to be blessed and avoid the curse of lawlessness. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from God's law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross while going back to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from would be the way to reject what he accomplished through the cross. The freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin.
Christians are to 'walk in the Spirit" and that is not "under the Law".
In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law. If there was a king who gave laws to govern the conduct of his people and there was someone going around speaking against submitting to the king's laws, then would this person be a servant or an enemy of the king?

The law is the letter and the letter is death.
In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Jesus also confirmed in Matthew 19:17 and Luke 10:25-28 that obedience to God's law is the way to enter eternal life. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, not for those who refuse to submit to his commands. In Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life. If correctly obeying what God instructed leads to death, then God is misleading us and shouldn't be trusted, but rather the Bible repeatedly says that God leads us to life.
 
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