Epicenter, Israel

[SteveB]

A lot of chatter going on nowadays, in the news, amongst Jesus followers, and the resources available to get a better understanding are increasing too.

Listen, study, verify what he's saying, with scripture, as Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22, and Luke did in Acts 17:11.

There's video and pdf notes, under the "Jack's Notes" button.
For the part 2 section, for today's date, near the end of the video is a collection of 50 references (5 slides) regarding Jesus as Messiah.
Stop the video and get screen shots of the 5 slides. I'll be emailing his office and requesting a copy of the slides in either pdf or Word format.
They typically take a week or two to respond, so it may take a while.




Epicenter: Israel - What's Really Happening In The Middle East

Epicenter: Israel - What's Really Happening In The Middle East

A Current Events Update On The Global Issues As They Relate To Biblical Eschatology

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Epicenter: Israel In The World - Part 2

Epicenter: Israel In The World - Part 2

A Current Events Update On The Global Issues As They Relate To Biblical Eschatology

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[The Rogue Tomato]

Thanks, pretty good. Just a pet peeve about him talking about a 7 year tribulation period. There is no such thing. There may be a future 7 year period in prophecy, but the Bible never refers to it as a tribulation period. The only tribulation period that the Bible talks about is the GREAT tribulation, which is about 3.5 years minus the amount Jesus cuts it short.

 

[SteveB]

I had taken the pictures of the 5 slides, but apparently they're too large to post.
Sorry.

 

[SteveB]

Thanks, pretty good. Just a pet peeve about him talking about a 7 year tribulation period. There is no such thing. There may be a future 7 year period in prophecy, but the Bible never refers to it as a tribulation period. The only tribulation period that the Bible talks about is the GREAT tribulation, which is about 3.5 years minus the amount Jesus cuts it short.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Facts state otherwise.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

You're entitled to your opinion.

Facts state otherwise.

State the facts from Scripture.

 

[SteveB]

State the facts from Scripture.

It's all in the study.

 

[TomL]

Thanks, pretty good. Just a pet peeve about him talking about a 7 year tribulation period. There is no such thing. There may be a future 7 year period in prophecy, but the Bible never refers to it as a tribulation period. The only tribulation period that the Bible talks about is the GREAT tribulation, which is about 3.5 years minus the amount Jesus cuts it short.

It happened in 70 A.D.

Matthew 24:15–22 (KJV 1900) — 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

And the elect went through it

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's all in the study.

So you can't state the facts from scripture. Got it.

 

[Theophilus]

I had taken the pictures of the 5 slides, but apparently they're too large to post.
Sorry.

You can attach them as a file that people can download if you'd like But even they can be too large.

 

[SteveB]

So you can't state the facts from scripture. Got it.

Actually, I'm thinking that you're a mature person and can follow the instructions given by Paul, and encouraged as noble by Luke.

By making the statement you have, you leave the question of a lack of your maturity, and lack of nobility.

 

[SteveB]

You can attach them as a file that people can download if you'd like But even they can be too large.

I've decided to take the time to develop a document listing them all.
I'd hate to resize them to fit, and have them turn out illegible.
It'll probably take another couple hours.
I'll be back later.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Actually, I'm thinking that you're a mature person and can follow the instructions given by Paul, and encouraged as noble by Luke.

By making the statement you have, you leave the question of a lack of your maturity, and lack of nobility.

You said it was fact. If it's a fact you get from scripture, then you should be able to back it up with scripture. If it's a "fact" you get from someone else's study or opinion, that's not a verifiable fact. That's someone's opinion or interpretation. If he/she used scripture, then you should be able to point to the same scripture. Naming Paul or Luke doesn't mean anything. Tell me what Paul or Luke said that proves a 7 year tribulation is a fact.

 

[SteveB]

You said it was fact. If it's a fact you get from scripture, then you should be able to back it up with scripture. If it's a "fact" you get from someone else's study or opinion, that's not a verifiable fact. That's someone's opinion or interpretation. If he/she used scripture, then you should be able to point to the same scripture. Naming Paul or Luke doesn't mean anything. Tell me what Paul or Luke said that proves a 7 year tribulation is a fact.

It's in the study.

Paul instructed us,

1Th 5:21-22 KJV 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Luke then stated,

Act 17:11 KJV These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's in the study.

Paul instructed us,

1Th 5:21-22 KJV 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Luke then stated,

Act 17:11 KJV These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I watched the video. I looked at the notes. I didn't see or hear any scriptural support for a 7 year tribulation period. Perhaps you can provide it?

 

[SteveB]

I watched the video. I looked at the notes. I didn't see or hear any scriptural support for a 7 year tribulation period. Perhaps you can provide it?

Daniel 9:24-27.

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Daniel Chapter 9

David Guzik commentary on Daniel 9 describes the prayer of Daniel for forgiveness and restoration for Jerusalem, and his prophecy of the Seventy Weeks.

enduringword.com

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Daniel 9:24-27.

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Daniel Chapter 9

David Guzik commentary on Daniel 9 describes the prayer of Daniel for forgiveness and restoration for Jerusalem, and his prophecy of the Seventy Weeks.

enduringword.com

Yeah, I know about the 70 7s. Some people think the 70th has already occurred. Some think the 70th 7 is a future week of years. But regardless of when you think it happens, nobody in the Bible ever refers to it as a 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.

The term "7 year tribulation period" was invented to prop up the false notion of a pre-trib rapture. It (and the pre-trib rapture) has no basis in scripture.

 

[civic]

Daniel 9:24-27.

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Daniel Chapter 9

David Guzik commentary on Daniel 9 describes the prayer of Daniel for forgiveness and restoration for Jerusalem, and his prophecy of the Seventy Weeks.

enduringword.com

Thanks I saw it there

He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week: The coming prince will make a covenant with Israel for the final unit of seven years, completing the seventy weeks prophesied for the Jewish people and Jerusalem.

i. Covenant with many: The word many here is a specific reference to Israel, not a general reference to a group. The ancient Hebrew says, “covenant with the many.”

ii. With this covenant Israel will embrace the Antichrist as a political messiah, if not the literal Messiah. Jesus predicted this in John 5:43: I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

iii. Taking the description of what would be accomplished in the 70 Weeks from Daniel 9:24, we know that the 70 Weeks are not yet complete. Yet the events promised in the first 69 weeks are fulfilled, indicated that there is a lengthy “pause” in the 70 Weeks, between the 69th week and the 70th week. The 70th week will begin when the coming prince shall confirm a covenant with the Jewish people. These gaps or pauses in prophecy may seem strange to us, but they are common. Comparing Isaiah 9:6and Luke 1:31-33 shows another significant pause or gap in prophecy regarding the coming of the Messiah.

iv. We can think of it in this way: God appointed 490 years of special focus on Israel in His redemptive plan. The years were paused by Israel’s rejection of Jesus. Now there is no special focus on Israel in God’s redemptive plan because this is the time of the church. God’s focus will return to Israel when the church is taken away (at the rapture) and the last seven years of man’s rule on this earth begin.

v. “The 70th week will begin when the Jewish people are restored in unbelief to their land and city; and among them will be found a faithful remnant, owning their sin, and seeking Jehovah’s face.” (Henry Ironside writing in 1911)

c. In the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering: The coming prince will break the covenant with Israel in the middle of the seven years, the final week (period of seven years).

i. The Book of Revelation sees this seven year period with both its halves as yet future (Revelation 12:6, 13-14; 13:5-9, 14-15). The middle of the weekand the end of sacrifice had not yet happened in 90 A.D.

d. On the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate: The ending of sacrifice will come with abominations, followed by tremendous desolation.

i. Abominations translates an ancient Hebrew word (shiqquwts) that is connected to horrific idolatry (Deuteronomy 29:17, 1 Kings 11:5-7, 2 Kings 23:13). The idea is that the coming prince breaks the covenant and brings an end to sacrifice and offering by desecrating the holy place of the temple with a horrific idolatry.

ii. Jesus called this the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15) and indicated that it would be a pivotal sign in the Great Tribulation. Paul referred to the idolatry of the coming prince in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

e. Until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate: This breaking of the covenant and abomination of desolation has a promised consummation. Before the 70th week is completed, each of the things described in Daniel 9:24 will be accomplished and everlasting righteousness will reign.

 

[civic]

THE SEVENTY WEEKS OF DANIEL
AS UNDERSTOOD BY SIR ROBERT ANDERSON IN “THE COMING PRINCE”​

Daniel 9:24-25 says that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah there will be 483 years.

7 + 62 “weeks” = 69 groups of seven years. 7 x 69 = 483 years

Anderson understood a prophetic year as 360 days. This is based both on ancient history and on Revelation 11:2, 13:5, 11:3, and 12:6 which indicate that 42 months – 3 ½ years – are equal to 1,260 days.

Therefore, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days

Artaxerxes started his reign in 465 B.C. The decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given on the first day of Nisan, in the 20th year of Artaxerxes. In our calendar system (the Julian calendar) that date is March 14, 445 B.C. (Nehemiah 2:1)

Jesus started His ministry in the 15th year of Tiberius (see Luke 3:1). Tiberius started his reign in A.D. 14, so Jesus’ ministry started in A.D. 29. Anderson believed that Jesus celebrated four Passovers during His ministry, one each in A.D. 29, 30, 31. and His final Passover in A.D. 32. With the help of lunar charts, we can calculate the exact date of ancient Passovers, so it is possible to calculate the exact day of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem as April 6, A.D. 32.

From 445 B.C. to A.D. 32. there are 476 years on the Julian calendar
(not 477 years, because there is no year zero).

476 years x 365 days = 173,740 days.

Adjusting for the difference between March 14 and April 6 adds 24 days.

Adjusting for leap years over a period of 476 years adds 116 days.

The total number of days from March 14, 445 B.C. to April 6, A.D. 32.
173,740 + 24 + 116 = 173,880 days.

According to his calendar, Daniel told us there would be 173,880 days between the decree and the arrival of Messiah the Prince.

Jesus said to the Jews of this day: If you had known, even you, especially IN THIS YOUR DAY, the things that make for your peace!(Luke 19:42). David said of this day in Psalm 118:24: THIS IS THE DAY which the LORD has made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Yes, I know all about the 70 weeks of years. And I know about the covenant with many for 7 years. But never is that 7 year period described as a tribulation period. I repeat: Some people think the 70th has already occurred. Some think the 70th 7 is a future week of years. But regardless of when you think it happens, nobody in the Bible ever refers to it as a 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.

The term "7 year tribulation period" was invented to prop up the false notion of a pre-trib rapture. It (and the pre-trib rapture) has no basis in scripture. Indeed, the Bible says we WILL HAVE TRIBULATION, but we are NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH. So even if you are under the mistaken assumption that there will be a 7 year period of tribulation, the fact that we are spared WRATH, NOT TRIBULATION proves there is no pre-trib rapture.

Here is Daniel's description of tribulation:

12:1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.

That is the GREAT TRIBULATION spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24. How long will it last?

Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Now do a little math. How many days are there in 7 years? I'll give you a hint. It's not 1,290. So even if you interpret Daniel 12 as describing a future period of tribulation instead of something that has already happened, you STILL don't have a 7 year "tribulation period".

 

[civic]

Yes, I know all about the 70 weeks of years. And I know about the covenant with many for 7 years. But never is that 7 year period described as a tribulation period. I repeat: Some people think the 70th has already occurred. Some think the 70th 7 is a future week of years. But regardless of when you think it happens, nobody in the Bible ever refers to it as a 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.

The term "7 year tribulation period" was invented to prop up the false notion of a pre-trib rapture. It (and the pre-trib rapture) has no basis in scripture. Indeed, the Bible says we WILL HAVE TRIBULATION, but we are NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH. So even if you are under the mistaken assumption that there will be a 7 year period of tribulation, the fact that we are spared WRATH, NOT TRIBULATION proves there is no pre-trib rapture.

Here is Daniel's description of tribulation:

12:1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.

That is the GREAT TRIBULATION spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24. How long will it last?

Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Now do a little math. How many days are there in 7 years? I'll give you a hint. It's not 1,290. So even if you interpret Daniel 12 as describing a future period of tribulation instead of something that has already happened, you STILL don't have a 7 year "tribulation period".

Sure it does try reading about it from the book of revelation which spells out the 7 years.

In Revelation 11 and 12, John mentions 1,260 days in two prophecies concerning another persecution of the Jews during the end times. Daniel 8 speaks of 2,300 days in a prophecyconcerning a persecution of the Jewish people during the intertestamental period. The main differences between these two prophecies are 1) Daniel’s has been fulfilled, and John’s has not; and 2) Daniel predicts the actions of Antiochus Epiphanes, and John predicts those of the Antichrist.

The 1,260-day prophecy is found in two passages in Revelation. First, Revelation 11:2–3says,

“[The Gentiles] will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Then, as part of a symbolic vision, Revelation 12:6 says,

“The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.”

The time period covered, 1,260 days, figures to 42 months, or 3 1/2 years. We believe this prophecy has not yet been fulfilled but will be during the end-times tribulation. The 42 months refers to the reign of the Antichrist, specifically, the last half (3 1/2 years) of the seven-year tribulation. At the beginning of that time, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel and set up “the abomination that causes desolation” (Mark 13:14; cf. Daniel 9:27)—an act that links the Antichrist to Antiochus Epiphanes, who similarly defiled the temple. The Antichrist will then turn his attention to the genocide of the Jews. During the persecution, Israel (the woman of Revelation 12) will be protected by God in the wilderness. Also during that troubled time, God will send two witnesses to perform miracles and proclaim the truth of Christ in the face of the Antichrist’s lies (Revelation 11:5–6).

The detailed prophecies contained in God’s Word are part of what makes the Bible unique among religious texts. Our God can “make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come” (Isaiah 46:10), and He has revealed significant events in the future, counting out the very days of those periods of time.got?

Hope this helps !!!