Does God Create Losers on Purpose?

AlwaysOnAJourney

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I've been a believer in Jesus and the Bible my whole life. That is 45-6=39 years. Granted that my salvation maybe be just head knowledge.

Over these 39 years I have done the best I can to live out a Christian life. But there are somethings about my Christian life that deeply trouble me. I observe other Christian people who have Churches they fit into. I see other Christian people doing things for God. I see me and my parents, rejected by other Christian people. In fact it is so bad that we don't go to Church since those people behave as if we don't exist. In other words there is no fellowship possible between our personalities and their personalities.

For reasons I do not know. The personality clash has seemed to get worse, even though I don't think our personalities have changed.

My parents used to have Church friends. Currently my Dad has no Church friends, and my Mom sorta does. But I want to talk about my own problems here.

When my parents were young, some people liked them. But when I was young, some people only sorta liked me and it got worse. Now days it is so bad that I struggle to even get a short email from someone, or even a hello at work! I got pause here, and tell you something funny. I'm on a mental health site, that has people that will listen to your problems for free. It's pretty cool that they do that. Anyways, often times I will tell them about my problems with people, and they will actually ask me if I got a Girlfriend or a Wife? I'm like what??? I just told you nobody likes me, and you ask me that? LOL Anyways the answer to that question is no. Going back to talking about what I was saying earlier. I never can figure out what is it about me that makes people treat me the way they do.

In this fallen world, some people are born with lots of different kinds of issues. Apparently I was born with a learning disability, and it might be the thing that effects my personality in a way that drives others away. You know what is really bad about this? I can't have fellowship in Church. And that seems to violate a scripture command.

Some years ago, I was trying to fix myself. I was seeking answers and talking about this as much as possible. A person in my life said this to me. "G, there is nothing wrong with you. But people don't like you because they don't like you. It is just the way it is." I didn't want to accept what that person said to me, but now nearly 15 years later, I think I see what He was saying. It looks to me like God chose to allow me to have this problem. He might of even made me this way on purpose. I just hope that He didn't also make me for Hell too. Allowing something that violates his own commandment in the Bible seems indicate to me, that He could of also do the other too.

Hebrews 10

19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
 
There is nothing wrong with "head knowledge." It is by head knowledge that people are saved along with God's election. God even commands His people get head knowledge alongside their getting wisdom. The Proverbs are clear on that point.
It is through knowledge a person is saved. God created the "head" or brain/mind for that purpose and God's people are destroyed for lack of "head knowledge." that is, incidentally, where salvation occurs. Repentance does mean "changing one's mind." And changing one's mind includes the ascertaining of head knowledge that enables conclusions of thought(s) through which changing one's mind about something occurs.

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
Because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me:
Seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:6.

God created the mind (head) as that faculty through which knowing or knowledge of the LORD is commanded. And God elevates the getting of head knowledge above the ignorant and the fool that does not possess knowledge. It is actually the unlearned (unknowing) that are destroyed.
 
Our fellowship is in Jesus Christ alone.

1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

This what Christians have in common. We should seek fellowship in the Son.

However, most churches today are centered around social classes and traditions. I fellowship in the Son.
 
'Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh:
yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,
yet now henceforth know we Him no more.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new.'

(2 Cor. 5:16-17)

Praise God!
 
I am sorry you have had a rather uncomfortable life. ( I say the truth. If you knew of my life, you would not trade me)

Anyway, you cannot have fellowship in your church? Have you ever looking into those that have church in houses? They meet as regular church people do but it is a smaller number of people that gather and more accepting and friendly.
 
'A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly:
and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.'

(Pro 18:24)

Hello @AlwaysOn AJourney,

Are you friendly and welcoming yourselves?
Have you invited people to come for coffee and a chat?
Do you call on them?
Do you enquire about their well being?
Offer to be there for them if they need it?
Ask for help if you need it?

Just thoughts
Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris
 
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Does God Create Losers on Purpose?​


ImCo,
God does not create losers by any means at any time, ever. Period.

Becoming a loser is found only in the free will choice to rebel against HIM and so become a sinner in HIS sight. HE gives us lives in accordance with our sinful desires to teach us the failure of our choices to be able to bring us happiness so that we learn to accept HIS righteousness, Heb 12:5-11.

All disvalue in any and every life is by our free will decision to be sinful in HIS sight by rebelling against HIM, an ultimate disvalue, or against HIS commands, a temporary disvalue. This is the essence of Jn 3:18.
 
I am sorry you have had a rather uncomfortable life. ( I say the truth. If you knew of my life, you would not trade me)

Anyway, you cannot have fellowship in your church? Have you ever looking into those that have church in houses? They meet as regular church people do but it is a smaller number of people that gather and more accepting and friendly.
It's not the church or the house church that is or should be the focus but the doctrine.
Once the theology of the bible/Scripture (doctrine) changed from covenant between God and the Hebrew people through Abraham at the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple circa 70 AD when mixed heritage Hebrews (half-Jew/Gentile) who grew up in Gentile lands [diaspora] heavily influenced by Greek culture, the essence of the fellowship throughout the nation of Israel and in Gentile lands where God scattered His people, these Gentile-minded Hebrews who knew nothing of their Hebrew heritage and past could only lend Gentile-infused understanding when they unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots and then Gentiles (non-Hebrews) were quick to adhere to the unknowledged theology of the Hebrew past with regard to the Hebrew covenants and soon the Hebrew religion began to exude a Gentile mindset and Greek cultural infusion because that's all these mixed Hebrews could bring into the Hebrew religion and to the Passover table.
Very soon it was easy to then teach that Gentiles who saw the Gentile-ness of the Hebrews were then able through default changed the ethnicity of the Hebrew religion and make it more Gentile to what you have now today.

Originally, before the destruction of the Jewish Temple true, biblical Christianity was strictly Hebrew in thought and doctrine taking its theology from the Hebrew Scripture.
 
It's not the church or the house church that is or should be the focus but the doctrine.
Once the theology of the bible/Scripture (doctrine) changed from covenant between God and the Hebrew people through Abraham at the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple circa 70 AD when mixed heritage Hebrews (half-Jew/Gentile) who grew up in Gentile lands [diaspora] heavily influenced by Greek culture, the essence of the fellowship throughout the nation of Israel and in Gentile lands where God scattered His people, these Gentile-minded Hebrews who knew nothing of their Hebrew heritage and past could only lend Gentile-infused understanding when they unmoored true, biblical Christianity from its Hebrew roots and then Gentiles (non-Hebrews) were quick to adhere to the unknowledged theology of the Hebrew past with regard to the Hebrew covenants and soon the Hebrew religion began to exude a Gentile mindset and Greek cultural infusion because that's all these mixed Hebrews could bring into the Hebrew religion and to the Passover table.
Very soon it was easy to then teach that Gentiles who saw the Gentile-ness of the Hebrews were then able through default changed the ethnicity of the Hebrew religion and make it more Gentile to what you have now today.

Originally, before the destruction of the Jewish Temple true, biblical Christianity was strictly Hebrew in thought and doctrine taking its theology from the Hebrew Scripture.
Yes, I understand but the OP is having difficulty, I believe, in finding where he basically fits in this life.

And if you feel like an outcast, or at least not overly encouraged in the church you are going to, while he admittedly has some problem, I merely am suggeting a house church, with a small , likely more friendly, group studying and worshipping might make him feel wanted.
 
Yes, I understand but the OP is having difficulty, I believe, in finding where he basically fits in this life.

And if you feel like an outcast, or at least not overly encouraged in the church you are going to, while he admittedly has some problem, I merely am suggeting a house church, with a small , likely more friendly, group studying and worshipping might make him feel wanted.
It is more important to be wanted by God. It is better to keep one's eyes on God and not on man.
 
It is more important to be wanted by God. It is better to keep one's eyes on God and not on man.
If you have been following his posts, he is in doubt that God wants him because he feels that he had to pray the sinners prayer and felt no change.

If he is unable to read and study and comprehend he needs to be in a group of like minded people who will learn.. especially if it is a smaller group
such as a house church.

In another thread he had said about praying the sinners prayer so much and nothing happening he felt he should just give up.

It is very scary to be in the situation to want to feel accepted by God yet feel you cant. Almost as bad as those who worked overtime to convince me a few years ago I would never be saved. But God led me to know the truth

God assured me they were wrong, but for this one what he is likely to find on a forum where people feel obligated to hide behind a "user name"
could make him, OR break him and I fear based on what he has shared it could be the later.
 
If you have been following his posts, he is in doubt that God wants him because he feels that he had to pray the sinners prayer and felt no change.
There is no such thing as a "sinner's prayer." A person can offer up prayers to a God that is not listening especially if that person is not called of God. No amount of prayer can cause a sinner to be right with God. It is God's prerogative to whom He will choose to give His Spirit to which results in being born-again and converted to God.

If he is in doubt, then the only conclusion is that he is not saved, not born-again by the Spirit of God. For everyone who becomes born-again can testify that God has actually saved him. As it says in Scripture those Jews whom God saved and gave His Spirit to are described as a people who turned the world upside, down. When a person who has met the LORD God of the Bible has met the LORD truly their lives will show the fruits and evidence that a change has occurred, and in all the time the poster of this thread has given testimony in with regard to salvation and whether or not he is saved cannot give witness of the profound change that accompanies conversion. There is a reason why believers who have met the LORD are called "Hallelujah's" and "holy rollers." There is power in the blood and the author of this thread does not show any kind of meeting with God and he is still outside of the grace of God.
If he is unable to read and study and comprehend he needs to be in a group of like minded people who will learn.. especially if it is a smaller group
such as a house church.
It doesn't matter. He is not saved. Putting lipstick on a pig does nothing for the pig. It is still a pig, swine, and rejected by God. It is precisely his association with true believers - ignorant of Scripture - but born-again believers nonetheless who are doing this man damage. How can one not discern the truth and in their ignorance continually guide and direct him to do things that a true believer does in order to "make him a Christian." It doesn't work that way. I would just assume to tell him to forget going to church, to stop hanging out with true believers, and to stop playing the part of a Christian when the evidence points unequivocally that he is not a Christian.
In another thread he had said about praying the sinners prayer so much and nothing happening he felt he should just give up.
Yes, give up. Stop trying to mimic the behaviors of true Christians.
It is very scary to be in the situation to want to feel accepted by God yet feel you cant. Almost as bad as those who worked overtime to convince me a few years ago I would never be saved. But God led me to know the truth
Why can't you determine the truth in your own life and be honest with this man? Why do you keep feeding the wolf in the misplaced hope that he can be a Christian if he does this or that, prays this way or that, makes all the outward behaviors of a true Christian in order to continue the farce?
God assured me they were wrong, but for this one what he is likely to find on a forum where people feel obligated to hide behind a "user name"
could make him, OR break him and I fear based on what he has shared it could be the later.
There can be no breaking for a person who was born broken up as we all are. Stop lying to the man
and tell him the truth. He is not saved and God nor His Christ reside in his life. You cannot counsel him in becoming a Christian. Salvation is of the LORD.
 
There is no such thing as a "sinner's prayer." A person can offer up prayers to a God that is not listening especially if that person is not called of God. No amount of prayer can cause a sinner to be right with God. It is God's prerogative to whom He will choose to give His Spirit to which results in being born-again and converted to God.

If he is in doubt, then the only conclusion is that he is not saved, not born-again by the Spirit of God. For everyone who becomes born-again can testify that God has actually saved him. As it says in Scripture those Jews whom God saved and gave His Spirit to are described as a people who turned the world upside, down. When a person who has met the LORD God of the Bible has met the LORD truly their lives will show the fruits and evidence that a change has occurred, and in all the time the poster of this thread has given testimony in with regard to salvation and whether or not he is saved cannot give witness of the profound change that accompanies conversion. There is a reason why believers who have met the LORD are called "Hallelujah's" and "holy rollers." There is power in the blood and the author of this thread does not show any kind of meeting with God and he is still outside of the grace of God.

It doesn't matter. He is not saved. Putting lipstick on a pig does nothing for the pig. It is still a pig, swine, and rejected by God. It is precisely his association with true believers - ignorant of Scripture - but born-again believers nonetheless who are doing this man damage. How can one not discern the truth and in their ignorance continually guide and direct him to do things that a true believer does in order to "make him a Christian." It doesn't work that way. I would just assume to tell him to forget going to church, to stop hanging out with true believers, and to stop playing the part of a Christian when the evidence points unequivocally that he is not a Christian.

Yes, give up. Stop trying to mimic the behaviors of true Christians.

Why can't you determine the truth in your own life and be honest with this man? Why do you keep feeding the wolf in the misplaced hope that he can be a Christian if he does this or that, prays this way or that, makes all the outward behaviors of a true Christian in order to continue the farce?

There can be no breaking for a person who was born broken up as we all are. Stop lying to the man
and tell him the truth. He is not saved and God nor His Christ reside in his life. You cannot counsel him in becoming a Christian. Salvation is of the LORD.
Ah, so we are witnessing a reprobate? Wondered what they were like.

He said in his first couple of posts he has mental problems. One reason he cannot grasp what is being told to himself.

His dad basically has nothing to do with the church anymore, his mom only some.

So you are right. I guess God only wants the whole, not flawed.
 
Ah, so we are witnessing a reprobate? Wondered what they were like.

He said in his first couple of posts he has mental problems. One reason he cannot grasp what is being told to himself.

His dad basically has nothing to do with the church anymore, his mom only some.

So you are right. I guess God only wants the whole, not flawed.
It was God who ordained the whole even before creating the flawed.
 
'A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly:
and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.'

(Pro 18:24)

Hello @AlwaysOn AJourney,

Are you friendly and welcoming yourselves?
Have you invited people to come for coffee and a chat?
Do you call on them?
Do you enquire about their well being?
Offer to be there for them if they need it?
Ask for help if you need it?

Just thoughts
Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris

None of that stuff works with the people I live around!
 
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