Christ's Olivet Discourse: For The Church

[DavP]

In the Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 chapters, Lord Jesus and His disciples left the temple, and went upon the Mount of Olives. His disciples looking over at the Temple Mount buildings marveled at them. Then Lord Jesus said the day would come when not one stone atop another would be standing there. Then His disciples asked Him what would be the SIGN of His coming, and of the end of the world. Jesus then began giving the main SIGNS of the very end of this world, leading up to His future coming. The very last SIGN He gave was that of His coming after the tribulation to gather His saints.

The SIGNS Jesus gave while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples parallel the SEALS of Revelation 6 given to His Church. That means we are to study Jesus' Olivet discourse with the same study discipline we would study Christ's Book of Revelation, particularly the Signs He gave in the Seals of Rev.6.

I will cover this by using the numbers of the SEALS, and then point to the parallel Scripture in Christ's Olivet discourse:


1st Seal
Rev 6:1-2
6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
KJV

The Greek for "bow" is toxon, which Strong's says is one of 'cheapest fabric' (NT:5115). This rider also has a single "crown". In contrast with Christ's coming on a white horse per Rev.19, Jesus will have a "sharp sword", and on His head are many crowns. So it should be easy to realize that this 1st Seal rider on a white horse is a fake Christ, trying to mimic Jesus coming on a white horse.

The Parallel Olivet SIGN:
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in My name, saying, "I am Christ"; and shall deceive many.
KJV

That is what the rider on the white horse of the 1st SEAL represents, a coming false Christ. Later Jesus will cover about a specific false-Christ coming with the power to work miracles, instead of just saying he is Christ.


2nd SEAL:
Rev 6:3-4
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
KJV

A red horse, put for a war horse, a time of war, and not a time of peace.

Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:6
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
KJV

We would hear of wars and rumors of wars, yet Jesus says above to not be troubled when we hear about such things. Why? Point is, this aligns with the 2nd Seal about the war horse.

That last phrase Jesus said above, "but the end is not yet", is just bypassed by many. What Lord Jesus' Message here is, that the "end" is going to be about a time of world peace, just the opposite of the wars idea. He tells us to NOT be troubled as long as we hear of wars and rumors of war. Why not? Because the end is not yet as long as wars are going on. And by the "end" is meant the time of trial, the "great tribulation", the time of symbolic Jacob's trouble. Thus the 2nd Seal about the red war horse is covered by this Olivet discourse SIGN.


3rd Seal:
Rev 6:5-6
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
KJV

A black horse for the 3rd Seal. The "pair of balances" represent commerce. The idea of a "measure of wheat for a penny, ..." represents the idea that you'd have to work all day to make enough wages to buy enough wheat for a loaf of bread. This represents inflation, hunger, and famine.

The part above in red, about not hurting the "oil and the wine" is symbolic for understanding in God's Word by The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is represented by the Oil, and God's Word is represented by "wine", because wine goes through a fermenting process where all the impurities are lifted off the top, leaving a pure pristine fluid. Lord Jesus used the idea of wine for God's Truth with the parable that you don't put new wine in old bottles, lest they break. The Message here is that regardless of all these events going on near the end, God's Word by The Holy Spirit will be preserved throughout the end all the way up to Christ's return after the tribulation.

Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:7-8
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
KJV

The wars continue from the red horse, but as a result of the black horse "famines" and "pestilences" come. The 'balances' of world commerce and world economic inflation have a huge cause of this. We may not see it as much in the West today, but many outside the West are truly suffering worse. But even pestilences are reaching the West too.

The Mark 13 version of the Olivet parallel to the 3rd Seal:
Mark 13:8
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
KJV

Pretty much the same SIGN as the Matthew 24 version. These type of events of the "end" do not represent the tribulation time yet, but instead the "beginning of sorrows".


4th Seal:
Rev 6:7-8
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
KJV

The pale horse rider has a name that is "Death". Why did the KJV translators capitalize that name? It's because it represents another name for the Devil, Satan, riding that pale horse. Per the Rev.9 Scripture, Satan also is called Apollyon which is Greek for 'perdition'. It is said there also that he is a "king", and the "angel of the bottomless pit". Per the Rev.12:7-9 Scripture, Satan with his angels are to be cast out of heaven after the war with Archangel Michael, and he with his angels are to be cast down to this earth among us it says. Hell will follow after him.

The power he is given over the earth will mainly be about deception. We learn this per Rev.9 that the locusts can only sting and not kill those which do not have God's Seal. Thus these symbols about killing involve deceptions using four categories of control upon this earth:

1. economy ("hunger")
2. education ("sword", symbolic of Satan's lies as the fake-Christ white-horse-rider)
3. political ("beasts of the earth", the wicked as 'brute beasts', Satan's hidden workers on earth)
4. religion ("death", spiritual death of the soul through false worship of the "image of the beast", taking the mark of the beast)

Olivet Parallel:
Matt 24:7-8
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
KJV

Again, all those above events will be responsible for those wars, famines, pestilences, etc., the beginning of sorrows.

(continued...)

 

[DavP]

5th Seal:
Rev 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
KJV

Those dead saints under God's Altar in heaven ask how long until God avenges their blood upon the earth, and they are told to wait for their brethren that will also... have... what? That TESTIMONY they were slain for, The Word of God. This means some of us at the end of this world, along with the time of God's "two witnesses" of Rev.11, will be delivered up to give a TESTIMONY by The Holy Spirit against the beast.

The Olivet parallel in Mark 13:
Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

And there it is, why those souls under the Altar were told to wait, until their fellowservants are also delivered up and killed for their TESTIMONY of The Word of God, as they were.

This will not... happen to all of us brethren, so do not worry. But if you are delivered up for the coming "great tribulation", then now you 'know' what it will be for, i.e., to give a TESTIMONY of The Word of God against them, and Jesus will definitely be with you, so do not fear them, but speak what The Holy Spirit gives you to say in that hour.

That idea of, "the brother shall betray the brother to death", and "the father the son", etc., is about this: if a loved one is deceived by the fake-Christ, thinking he is Lord Jesus, and we know better, that that first one that comes working miracles is a fake, our loved one who is deceived will not understand why we refuse that false-Messiah. So they will turn us in, thinking they are helping us. In Matthew 10:34-39, Jesus said one's foes would be those of one's own household. He was pointing to this event at the very end of this world, for the time of "great tribulation" when the coming false-Messiah will be setup demanding all to bow in worship to him as The Christ.

Thus the 5th Seal and Mark 13:9-13 is a solid Olivet discourse parallel.


6th Seal (1st Part):
Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

The events of the 6th SEAL are actually split into 2 Parts, which this is understood by those symbols given. What 'star' once fell to the earth, and is used as a symbol for someone, like at Rev.9:1? That was Satan when he fell to earth in the old world, wasn't it? Even in Rev.12:3-4 we are shown that Satan as that "red dragon" drew one third of the 'stars' (angels) to earth with him when he first rebelled in the time of old. Thus 'stars' can be a symbol for angels, and Satan is the "angel of the bottomless pit" in Rev.9.

Many wrongly teach the Revelation 12:7-9 war in Heaven like it was past history. It is not past history. It hasn't even happened yet today. That war in heaven between Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels, is what this 6th Seal Part 1 is about. It will kick off Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27.

An untimely fig is a real fig that grows in the winter, but falls off in the spring. So it's an early fig, a winter fig. Put that idea together with the idea of those 'stars' (angels) falling to earth. Do you get it yet? It is about Satan and his angels coming to earth, just like the Rev.12:7-9 Scripture declares for the end. And the idea of "untimely figs", being an 'early fig', means the coming fake-Messiah that comes first, prior to Lord Jesus' return later, which is to be not in symbolic 'winter', but when? Jesus returns in symbolic SUMMER. Got it? Thus Satan and his host of angels coming to earth for the end is what this "untimely figs" idea represents.

So that definitely means the tribulation timing of the end of this world. And Christ's Olivet discourse parallel...

Olivet parallel:
Matt 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

That's a direct parallel to the first Part of the 6th Seal, pointing to Satan and his host of angels falling to earth as "untimely figs" that grow in the "winter", but fall off in the spring, because they come too early. If you do not remain "a chaste virgin" waiting for Christ to come later, then it means you will have bowed to the fake-Christ instead, and your "flight" will have been in symbolic "winter". Got it? I'm not making this up brethren! The LORD gives these kind of metaphors to make this matter of the coming "strong delusion" easier to understand.

When that "abomination of desolation" IDOL is setup in a new 3rd temple built in Jerusalem by the false-Messiah, that will officially begin the time of "great tribulation" for the end, the latter 1260 days period per the Book of Daniel, and Rev.11 and Rev.13 with the 42 months. But note what Jesus says next...

Continued Olivet parallel:
Matt 24:22-26
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, He is in the desert; go not forth: behold, He is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
KJV

That above 23 thru 26 verses is where Lord Jesus was pointing to a 'specific', 'singular' Antichrist-false-Messiah with the power of miracles.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is the sole word pseudochristos, made up of 2 Greek words: pseudo which means false, and christos which is singular for Christ. Dr. James Strong defined pseudochristos in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance as 'a spurious Messiah' (NT:5580).

One can definitely understand that Lord Jesus was speaking about a specific singular pseudo-Christ because the 23rd and 26th verses are definitely in the singular tense. My KJV Bible even has "He" capitalized in verse 26, to show that the coming false one will try and portray Lord Jesus Christ. That idea of that false-Messiah given power to work those "great signs and wonders" that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect, is yet another... proof of the working of a singular false-Christ, even the very "man of sin" that Apostle Paul warned of in 2 Thessalonians 2.


6th Seal 2nd Part:
Rev 6:14-17
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
KJV

The 2nd Part of the 6th Seal is about the day of Lord Jesus future coming. That will be what Apostles Paul and Peter called the "day of the Lord", from the Old Testament prophets (see 1 Thess.5, and 2 Peter 3:10-12). That will be when God will shake this earth "once more" (Hebrews 12), and all islands and mountains will move out of their places. Heaven will be rolled up like a scroll. Those events suggest major earth changes, atmospheric changes, at an instant. Also, everyone still alive on earth will be changed, as the heavenly is going to be revealed to all, no more veil hiding it.

The wicked will then see Lord Jesus coming in the clouds, and also will see The Father sitting upon His throne in Heaven. They will wish to hide from Him, and His Wrath that is set for that same day on the 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial.

Olivet parallel:
Matt 24:27-31
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

There is the Olivet discourse parallel to the 6th Seal Part 2, about the day of Christ's future return and gathering of His elect. This Matthew 24:31 gathering version is about Paul's 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 gathering event of the 'asleep' saints that Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. The Mark 13:27 version covers about the saints still alive on earth being gathered at that same time...

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

Thus Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 was actually teaching this same event that Jesus taught in these Olivet discourse chapters about His future return, when speaking with His disciples while upon the Mount of Olives. Per Acts 1, the Mount of Olives is where Lord Jesus ascended to Heaven from. And per Zechariah 14, the Mount of Olives is where He will descend to this earth when He comes to gather His faithful Church on the last day of this world.

 

[DavP]

How in the world do you get the 'smiley faces' to NOT show within the text, when you don't want them?

 

[civic]

How in the world do you get the 'smiley faces' to NOT show within the text, when you don't want them?

You should be able to edit them out if you have trouble let me know and I can do that for you.

 

[DavP]

The Remaining Olivet Discourse by Jesus:

Matt 24:32-35
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
KJV

To properly understood just what "generation" Lord Jesus was pointing to above, those passages in underlined bold red must be grasped, because they are 'time' anchors in what He said.

Exactly what... "these things" was He talking about previously there in Matthew 24? Answer: The main SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future return and our gathering to Him. That is what "these things" are about.

So ask yourself. Have ALL... of those "things" (SIGNS He gave in that Chapter) been fulfilled? No! of course not. Just what... generation will SEE Christ's future return and gathering of His Church? Simple: the LAST generation living on earth. That... is the "generation" Jesus was pointing to, NOT to His Apostle's generation, because their generation has already passed, and His 2nd coming did not happen back then. Nor did heaven and earth pass away back in their day.

And what about that "Heaven and earth shall pass away" event? When is that set to happen? Did it happen in the days of the Apostles? No! of course not. Lord Jesus revealed what that event will be about per the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:14, which remember, is about heaven departing as a scroll, and every mountain and island being moved out their places. That event is linked with the day of Lord Jesus' future return on the last day of this present world. Has that event happened yet today? No! of course not. So once again, what "generation" was Lord Jesus actually pointing to? The FINAL generation living on earth that will 'see' that heaven and earth passing away, which is yet another strong clue of what generation He was pointing to.

Therefore, these SIGNS in Matthew 24, and the Mark 13 and Luke 21 versions also, are cover "these things" that the final generation on earth will literally SEE occur, with the last SIGN being that of Jesus' future 2nd coming to gather His saints, with the heavens and the earth passing away on that day.

Matt 24:36-42
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

NO one can know the day nor hour of Lord Jesus' future coming. But the 'season', that's another matter, which I'll get into later.
Lord Jesus compared the days of Noah and the ark with the day of His future return. Question: did Noah and his family have to leave the earth to be saved in the ark? No... the ark was upon the height of flood waters for 150 days, or 'five months' (hint, hint... for those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear). Then the waters of the flood began to recede, and the ark settled back on the earth. But what happened to those outside the ark? They were TAKEN by the flood.

You may not yet realize it, but with Lord Jesus using the time of the flood of Noah's day to compare the day of His future coming, He was giving yet another direct parallel to His Book of Revelation, specifically in Revelation 12:15-16...

Rev 12:15-17
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

The timing of the above event? The time of the coming "great tribulation", for that is when that symbolic "water as a flood" out of Satan's 'mouth', will go after that symbolic 'woman' which has The Testimony of Jesus Christ. That TESTIMONY is definitely a time-marker for the very end involving those in Christ Jesus. That idea of a flood out of Satan's mouth (Satan as "that old serpent" of Rev.12:9), is about the "five months" stinging by the locusts of Rev.9 (hint, hint, hint.... for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear.) Thus Lord Jesus again linked His Revelation to these events He gave here in His Olivet discourse. And some want to believe He didn't give this to His Church? Crazy!

Matthew 24:40
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
KJV

There Lord Jesus compares the day of His future coming to one group that remains working for Him when He comes, and another group that is TAKEN instead. That is where the false Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors get their Left-Behind pre-trib rapture monikers they create. They wrongly equate the idea of being TAKEN to being raptured out by Lord Jesus prior to the "great tribulation" at the end.

And Lord Jesus actually warned them against that kind of thinking...

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Lord Jesus gave the same example in Luke 17, but notice above His answer to His Apostle's question of just where... that "one shall be taken", is taken to. In the Matthew 24:28 version of His answer, the Greek word for a dead "carcase" is used instead of that word "body". It is about being GATHERED to where the FOWLS ("eagles") are that eat on a dead carcase! Now does that sound like being gathered to our Lord Jesus Christ? NO! God forbid!

Why then do the false Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors teach such a LIE, actually reversing the answer Lord Jesus Himself gave there in Luke 17:37? Those behind men's leaven doctrine of a false pre-trib rapture don't care that they are telling a LIE, and they are betting they can influence your emotions to the level that you won't really take the time to discipline yourself in God's Word to find out they are telling a LIE. Not only that, but they are counting on your deception to allow you to BUY... their 13 book Left-Behind series written by Tim LaHaye! Pray your "flight" will not be in WINTER, remember?

Mark 13:15-18
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
KJV

Do you remember about the "untimely figs" of the first Part of the 6th Seal? It's about the WINTER fig that grows in the winter but falls off in the spring. It's an EARLY fig which represents the early coming of the false-Messiah playing Jesus Christ. Our true Lord Jesus instead comes at symbolic SUMMER harvest time to gather His Church. So pray... that your flight be not in symbolic winter, because that will mean you instead were gathered by the false-Messiah that comes first.

What about that, "But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"? That's going to be about poor, poor pregnant women during that future time of the trib, right? No, wrong!

In Luke 23, Lord Jesus revealed what that idea of those "that give suck in those days" will actually be about. It is a symbolic metaphor about falling away in that time, not literal pregnant women...

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us'."
KJV

When Lord Jesus was hauling His cross up the hill to be crucified, Jewish women that saw Him wept for Him. But Jesus told them to not weep for Him, but for theirselves, and for their children (i.e., later generations, especially at the end), because the time would come when 'they' will say that, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, AND THE PAPS WHICH NEVER GAVE SUCK"!

Didn't we just read back at Mark 13:17 about those "... that give suck in those days"? Yes. And Lord Jesus was referring this as a PARABLE about false worship. Do you remember Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 warning the brethren that he wants to present us to our true Husband, Jesus Christ, "as a chaste virgin"? Apostle Paul was covering this 'woe to those with child' spiritual metaphor also.

The idea originates from Isaiah 54. Blessed are the barren, for the woman whose womb remains barren and without child, will have MORE children than the married wife, it says. Doesn't make sense if you think about it literally. But spiritually, it makes total sense. And it is this...

... if you, as a chaste virgin waiting on Lord Jesus to come, remain spiritually barren and not with child from another, then you will be BLESSED when Jesus arrives and finds you have been faithful to Him. But if when Jesus comes, and finds those who fell away and are found spiritually 'with child', from another, then those will be like those "Daughters of Jerusalem" (unbelieving Jews), who will then say for the mountains, "Fall on us", and to the hills, "Cover us", because of the shame of falling away to the false-Messiah. And thus those in Christ who remain spiritually 'barren' without child, will actually have MORE... children than the already married 'harlot', because the believing Israelite that remains a virgin waiting on Jesus will inherit the Gentiles! (again, see Isaiah 54 about this parable).

I know some of you will not understand the above 'with child' parable. But that above only comes from disciplined Bible study in Isaiah 54, 2 Cor.11, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Luke 23, and even Luke 17, and of course Revelation. It should be obvious that our Heavenly Father and His Son put these pieces of the "Blessed are the barren" puzzle in various Books of His Word to see if you would study and listen to Him in His Word. Back to Matthew 24...

Matt 24:43-47
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

The Hebrews divided up the night watch into three periods, 4 hours each, from sunset to sunrise. So Lord Jesus is saying that if the "goodman of the house" knew in what "watch" the thief would try to break in, he wouldn't have allowed his house to be broken into. By that Lord Jesus was giving us, His Church, a metaphor for the 'season' of His future coming; not the specific day or hour, but the season. And the season involves those SIGNS He gave us in His Olivet discourse for the end time events leading up to His future return.

Thus it's those SIGNS... He gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, which parallel in His Revelation, that those in Christ ARE TO BE WATCHING TODAY! Per the last verse of His Mark 13 Olivet discourse version, He said, "And what I say unto you, I say unto all, Watch" (Mark 13:37).

Who then is found like that "faithful and wise servant" which Lord Jesus ordained to give His sheep that "meat in due season"? It is the follower of Jesus Christ that He finds so doing when He comes. That meat in due season is the "strong meat" Apostle Paul mentioned in Hebrews 5:11-14 that he desired to impart to the brethren, but they were still sucking on the 'milk' of God's Word instead.

Matt 24:48-51
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, "My lord delayeth his coming";
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

So... is our Lord Jesus pointing out that being ignorant of the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future coming, and not WATCHING those SIGNS He gave, means for that person Jesus will come in a day when that person is NOT looking for Him, and in an hour that person is NOT aware of? I though Lord Jesus said NO man knows the day or hour of His coming? So why would He say the above?

It is about NOT being aware of the "times and the seasons" of the end leading up to His future coming, that is what He was pointing to, i.e., the very SIGNS He gave while upon the Mount of Olives! And who... doesn't want you to know those SIGNS and be WATCHING them for the end? Those of the "synagogue of Satan" of course, Christ's main enemies here on earth, antichrists, the "tares", the crept in unawares of Jude.

Apostle Paul mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 5 how he had no need to teach the brethren there about "the times and the seasons", for they already knew them....

1 Thess 5:1-4
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

These SIGNS of the end leading up to Lord Jesus' future coming to gather us is what Paul was talking about there with that "the times and the seasons". That is not about knowing the day or hour of Christ's future return, but instead events leading up to it that we are to be 'watching', for why? Like Paul said there, because those who are 'watching' Christ's SIGNS He gave are not in darkness that that that day of the Lord should overtake us "as a thief". And per Revelation 16:15, Lord Jesus, on the 6th Vial timing, is still... warning His Church there, that He comes "as a thief"! Paul was pulling from the Old Testament prophets about the deceived will be saying that, "Peace and safety" for the end, and then on the last day that "sudden destruction" will come upon them, which is about the day of Christ's future return.

So then, will you be WATCHING those SIGNS Jesus gave us, His Church, about the end, or just ignore them like the "synagogue of Satan" wants you to do? Your choice.

 

[dwight92070]

The Remaining Olivet Discourse by Jesus:

Matt 24:32-35
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
KJV

To properly understood just what "generation" Lord Jesus was pointing to above, those passages in underlined bold red must be grasped, because they are 'time' anchors in what He said.

Exactly what... "these things" was He talking about previously there in Matthew 24? Answer: The main SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future return and our gathering to Him. That is what "these things" are about.

So ask yourself. Have ALL... of those "things" (SIGNS He gave in that Chapter) been fulfilled? No! of course not. Just what... generation will SEE Christ's future return and gathering of His Church? Simple: the LAST generation living on earth. That... is the "generation" Jesus was pointing to, NOT to His Apostle's generation, because their generation has already passed, and His 2nd coming did not happen back then. Nor did heaven and earth pass away back in their day.

And what about that "Heaven and earth shall pass away" event? When is that set to happen? Did it happen in the days of the Apostles? No! of course not. Lord Jesus revealed what that event will be about per the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:14, which remember, is about heaven departing as a scroll, and every mountain and island being moved out their places. That event is linked with the day of Lord Jesus' future return on the last day of this present world. Has that event happened yet today? No! of course not. So once again, what "generation" was Lord Jesus actually pointing to? The FINAL generation living on earth that will 'see' that heaven and earth passing away, which is yet another strong clue of what generation He was pointing to.

Therefore, these SIGNS in Matthew 24, and the Mark 13 and Luke 21 versions also, are cover "these things" that the final generation on earth will literally SEE occur, with the last SIGN being that of Jesus' future 2nd coming to gather His saints, with the heavens and the earth passing away on that day.

Matt 24:36-42
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

NO one can know the day nor hour of Lord Jesus' future coming. But the 'season', that's another matter, which I'll get into later.
Lord Jesus compared the days of Noah and the ark with the day of His future return. Question: did Noah and his family have to leave the earth to be saved in the ark? No... the ark was upon the height of flood waters for 150 days, or 'five months' (hint, hint... for those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear). Then the waters of the flood began to recede, and the ark settled back on the earth. But what happened to those outside the ark? They were TAKEN by the flood.

You may not yet realize it, but with Lord Jesus using the time of the flood of Noah's day to compare the day of His future coming, He was giving yet another direct parallel to His Book of Revelation, specifically in Revelation 12:15-16...

Rev 12:15-17
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

The timing of the above event? The time of the coming "great tribulation", for that is when that symbolic "water as a flood" out of Satan's 'mouth', will go after that symbolic 'woman' which has The Testimony of Jesus Christ. That TESTIMONY is definitely a time-marker for the very end involving those in Christ Jesus. That idea of a flood out of Satan's mouth (Satan as "that old serpent" of Rev.12:9), is about the "five months" stinging by the locusts of Rev.9 (hint, hint, hint.... for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear.) Thus Lord Jesus again linked His Revelation to these events He gave here in His Olivet discourse. And some want to believe He didn't give this to His Church? Crazy!

Matthew 24:40
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
KJV

There Lord Jesus compares the day of His future coming to one group that remains working for Him when He comes, and another group that is TAKEN instead. That is where the false Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors get their Left-Behind pre-trib rapture monikers they create. They wrongly equate the idea of being TAKEN to being raptured out by Lord Jesus prior to the "great tribulation" at the end.

And Lord Jesus actually warned them against that kind of thinking...

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Lord Jesus gave the same example in Luke 17, but notice above His answer to His Apostle's question of just where... that "one shall be taken", is taken to. In the Matthew 24:28 version of His answer, the Greek word for a dead "carcase" is used instead of that word "body". It is about being GATHERED to where the FOWLS ("eagles") are that eat on a dead carcase! Now does that sound like being gathered to our Lord Jesus Christ? NO! God forbid!

Why then do the false Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors teach such a LIE, actually reversing the answer Lord Jesus Himself gave there in Luke 17:37? Those behind men's leaven doctrine of a false pre-trib rapture don't care that they are telling a LIE, and they are betting they can influence your emotions to the level that you won't really take the time to discipline yourself in God's Word to find out they are telling a LIE. Not only that, but they are counting on your deception to allow you to BUY... their 13 book Left-Behind series written by Tim LaHaye! Pray your "flight" will not be in WINTER, remember?

Mark 13:15-18
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
KJV

Do you remember about the "untimely figs" of the first Part of the 6th Seal? It's about the WINTER fig that grows in the winter but falls off in the spring. It's an EARLY fig which represents the early coming of the false-Messiah playing Jesus Christ. Our true Lord Jesus instead comes at symbolic SUMMER harvest time to gather His Church. So pray... that your flight be not in symbolic winter, because that will mean you instead were gathered by the false-Messiah that comes first.

What about that, "But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"? That's going to be about poor, poor pregnant women during that future time of the trib, right? No, wrong!

In Luke 23, Lord Jesus revealed what that idea of those "that give suck in those days" will actually be about. It is a symbolic metaphor about falling away in that time, not literal pregnant women...

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us'."
KJV

When Lord Jesus was hauling His cross up the hill to be crucified, Jewish women that saw Him wept for Him. But Jesus told them to not weep for Him, but for theirselves, and for their children (i.e., later generations, especially at the end), because the time would come when 'they' will say that, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, AND THE PAPS WHICH NEVER GAVE SUCK"!

Didn't we just read back at Mark 13:17 about those "... that give suck in those days"? Yes. And Lord Jesus was referring this as a PARABLE about false worship. Do you remember Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 warning the brethren that he wants to present us to our true Husband, Jesus Christ, "as a chaste virgin"? Apostle Paul was covering this 'woe to those with child' spiritual metaphor also.

The idea originates from Isaiah 54. Blessed are the barren, for the woman whose womb remains barren and without child, will have MORE children than the married wife, it says. Doesn't make sense if you think about it literally. But spiritually, it makes total sense. And it is this...

... if you, as a chaste virgin waiting on Lord Jesus to come, remain spiritually barren and not with child from another, then you will be BLESSED when Jesus arrives and finds you have been faithful to Him. But if when Jesus comes, and finds those who fell away and are found spiritually 'with child', from another, then those will be like those "Daughters of Jerusalem" (unbelieving Jews), who will then say for the mountains, "Fall on us", and to the hills, "Cover us", because of the shame of falling away to the false-Messiah. And thus those in Christ who remain spiritually 'barren' without child, will actually have MORE... children than the already married 'harlot', because the believing Israelite that remains a virgin waiting on Jesus will inherit the Gentiles! (again, see Isaiah 54 about this parable).

I know some of you will not understand the above 'with child' parable. But that above only comes from disciplined Bible study in Isaiah 54, 2 Cor.11, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Luke 23, and even Luke 17, and of course Revelation. It should be obvious that our Heavenly Father and His Son put these pieces of the "Blessed are the barren" puzzle in various Books of His Word to see if you would study and listen to Him in His Word. Back to Matthew 24...

Matt 24:43-47
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

The Hebrews divided up the night watch into three periods, 4 hours each, from sunset to sunrise. So Lord Jesus is saying that if the "goodman of the house" knew in what "watch" the thief would try to break in, he wouldn't have allowed his house to be broken into. By that Lord Jesus was giving us, His Church, a metaphor for the 'season' of His future coming; not the specific day or hour, but the season. And the season involves those SIGNS He gave us in His Olivet discourse for the end time events leading up to His future return.

Thus it's those SIGNS... He gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, which parallel in His Revelation, that those in Christ ARE TO BE WATCHING TODAY! Per the last verse of His Mark 13 Olivet discourse version, He said, "And what I say unto you, I say unto all, Watch" (Mark 13:37).

Who then is found like that "faithful and wise servant" which Lord Jesus ordained to give His sheep that "meat in due season"? It is the follower of Jesus Christ that He finds so doing when He comes. That meat in due season is the "strong meat" Apostle Paul mentioned in Hebrews 5:11-14 that he desired to impart to the brethren, but they were still sucking on the 'milk' of God's Word instead.

Matt 24:48-51
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, "My lord delayeth his coming";
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

So... is our Lord Jesus pointing out that being ignorant of the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future coming, and not WATCHING those SIGNS He gave, means for that person Jesus will come in a day when that person is NOT looking for Him, and in an hour that person is NOT aware of? I though Lord Jesus said NO man knows the day or hour of His coming? So why would He say the above?

It is about NOT being aware of the "times and the seasons" of the end leading up to His future coming, that is what He was pointing to, i.e., the very SIGNS He gave while upon the Mount of Olives! And who... doesn't want you to know those SIGNS and be WATCHING them for the end? Those of the "synagogue of Satan" of course, Christ's main enemies here on earth, antichrists, the "tares", the crept in unawares of Jude.

Apostle Paul mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 5 how he had no need to teach the brethren there about "the times and the seasons", for they already knew them....

1 Thess 5:1-4
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

These SIGNS of the end leading up to Lord Jesus' future coming to gather us is what Paul was talking about there with that "the times and the seasons". That is not about knowing the day or hour of Christ's future return, but instead events leading up to it that we are to be 'watching', for why? Like Paul said there, because those who are 'watching' Christ's SIGNS He gave are not in darkness that that that day of the Lord should overtake us "as a thief". And per Revelation 16:15, Lord Jesus, on the 6th Vial timing, is still... warning His Church there, that He comes "as a thief"! Paul was pulling from the Old Testament prophets about the deceived will be saying that, "Peace and safety" for the end, and then on the last day that "sudden destruction" will come upon them, which is about the day of Christ's future return.

So then, will you be WATCHING those SIGNS Jesus gave us, His Church, about the end, or just ignore them like the "synagogue of Satan" wants you to do? Your choice.

Biblically, Jesus is referred to as"the Lord Jesus" or "our Lord Jesus", or "the Lord", or "our Lord Jesus Christ", NOT just "Lord Jesus".

Edit by admin Please keep comments about the post and not the poster

 

[DavP]

Biblically, Jesus is referred to as"the Lord Jesus" or "our Lord Jesus", or "the Lord", or "our Lord Jesus Christ", NOT just "Lord Jesus".

It's amazing how "accurate" you think you are on the end times, and yet you can't even get a simple thing like the proper and Biblical way to address Him.

Edit by admin No name calling

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Lol. Arguing over English. the original text didn't differentiate between capital and lower case letters. Such silliness

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

@DavP
I just can not help laughing at all the false statements you make. "Winter figs"? Really? Have you even studied how figs grow? Figs bloom in the springtime. And actually have 2 harvests. That's the key to one of the parables which most don't understand. But, come on. such false writing

 

[dwight92070]

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When a person posts a book, instead of just a manageable-sized post, I don't take the time to comment on that. My time is more valuable than that. If you want to make a few points - great, but with 10 separate passages with close to 50 verses!?? We're not giving 30-40 minute teachings here, the last time I checked. If you want to, be my guest, but I'll just move on to a post of more reasonable length.
Actually I have studied all of those verses. I do have a bias against people who think their interpretation cannot be disagreed with and are unteachable.
Also, even the Bible does not capitalize "the" when referring to the Lord or the Lord Jesus. You are grammatically incorrect.

 

[DavP]

Biblically, Jesus is referred to as"the Lord Jesus" or "our Lord Jesus", or "the Lord", or "our Lord Jesus Christ", NOT just "Lord Jesus".

It's amazing how "accurate" you think you are on the end times, and yet you can't even get a simple thing like the proper and Biblical way to address Him.

When speaking English, per English grammar, IT IS NOT REQUIRED to always place an article like 'the' in front of someone's name, and that includes LORD JESUS CHRIST. English is NOT Hebrew/Greek.

 

[DavP]

Beware brethren in Christ Jesus:

When someone who tries to discredit a post of mine just because they are too lazy to read it, they are trying to suggest that YOU do not read it either!

Why would they try to persuade you like that? The answer is simple. It is because THEY cannot defeat the Scripture Truths revealed in the post, and/or it goes against their little doctrines of men they live in instead of keeping God's Word as written.

 

[Rockson]

When a person posts a book, instead of just a manageable-sized post, I don't take the time to comment on that. My time is more valuable than that. If you want to make a few points - great, but with 10 separate passages with close to 50 verses!?? We're not giving 30-40 minute teachings here, the last time I checked.

I agree and even with my posts I'm thinking I need to make them smaller. We don't need to cover every concept imaginable to solidify our arguments. We can take them one step at a time allowing people to process what we saying and eventually get to all other supporting evidence which supports our position.

 

[DavP]

Brethren in Christ:

I offered to do a Bible study on Christ's Olivet Discourse, and Civic responded with suggesting I post in this forum section about Bible prophecy. This Olivet discourse is a BIBLE STUDY, not simply opinionated discourse some others here are trying to do.

What is really sad, is that some here show they do not have the study discipline or stamina to stay in God's Word line upon line long enough to actually understand the flow of God's Word. My response to those is what God also gave to those back in Old Testament times involving the rebellious among His children which would not heed His Word...

Isa 30:8-16
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.

12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:

13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.

16 But ye said, No; for we will flee upon horses; therefore shall ye flee: and, We will ride upon the swift; therefore shall they that pursue you be swift.
KJV

 

[civic]

I agree and even with my posts I'm thinking I need to make them smaller. We don't need to cover every concept imaginable to solidify our arguments. We can take them one step at a time allowing people to process what we saying and eventually get to all other supporting evidence which supports our position.

Yes I agree especially when it’s not the posters writing the response