Another Famous Pastor , Theologian, Scholar has fallen
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Rockson
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Sure. I think saints struggle at just how we should think of those who have fell. Sure it's a sad thing but there are a lot of dynmics that come into play. We live in a world where even the best of Men/Women come under attack. I agree we can't blame the devil for everything for a person allowed the lust of their heart to rise up and move them to action.....there still is though the Kingdom of Darkness watching one's weakness....and tempting setting one up for failure. If one does fail for whatever reason we must instill within them it doesn't mean they're finished for life in accomplishing anything of value for God again.
If they feel like many I suppose do that a spirit of condmenaiton has clamped down upon them we need to stand with them to break and smash that from off of they're life. No matter how great the sin the blood of Jesus is greater and can cleanse that individuals making them again just as if they'd never sinned. Scriptures are full of exhortations that one's sin or sins will be forgiven them and they need to embrace that with all tenacity. As for being restored to public ministry OR being a leader Pastor of a church I'd lean towards thinking it would be counterproductive to do so at least in my opinion.
That doesn't mean however that a person can't be used by God in a thousand and one different ways to advance the Kingdom of God even within a gathering of believers. For the world's sake when they look at a church even they can accept a person might fall....but they might question why should they stay in the place as a primary leader. It doesn't have good optics. I'll offer this as well, letting go for good of pulpit or a primary leader position isn't the end of the world. Supporting others and strengthening others who are in that place can be just as important as being that. I pray that that man and his family will find PEACE.
If they feel like many I suppose do that a spirit of condmenaiton has clamped down upon them we need to stand with them to break and smash that from off of they're life. No matter how great the sin the blood of Jesus is greater and can cleanse that individuals making them again just as if they'd never sinned. Scriptures are full of exhortations that one's sin or sins will be forgiven them and they need to embrace that with all tenacity. As for being restored to public ministry OR being a leader Pastor of a church I'd lean towards thinking it would be counterproductive to do so at least in my opinion.
That doesn't mean however that a person can't be used by God in a thousand and one different ways to advance the Kingdom of God even within a gathering of believers. For the world's sake when they look at a church even they can accept a person might fall....but they might question why should they stay in the place as a primary leader. It doesn't have good optics. I'll offer this as well, letting go for good of pulpit or a primary leader position isn't the end of the world. Supporting others and strengthening others who are in that place can be just as important as being that. I pray that that man and his family will find PEACE.
civic
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My understanding is all his online material was removed from his work as the dead of the masters seminary and OnePAssion ministries which he founded. And he is no longer the pastor at the church. I'm not sure about his sermons/ materials their.
I just checked Trinity Baptist Church in Dallas has removed his materials as well.
There but for the grace of God go i
We could all use this.
We could all use this.
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civic
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According to his own words from sermons and interviews he is not saved. I will not say one way or the other. That’s a God issue and an issue of the heart within the man.
civic
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And how would we know if he was “ saved “ in the first place ?
Aeliana
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I hear you, none of us can judge another man's or woman's salvation.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.Romans 14:4
We are not that other Christian's master. We are all servants of the same Master: Jesus. It's not the role of servants to pass judgment on each other. The master passes judgment.
civic
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Ditto
Aeliana
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This could be his Breakthrough. He may just leave the Stronghold of Calvinism behind. Remember King David committed adultery and God still used him. Of course king David did pay a heavy price. Plus the fact that Jesus came out of that bloodline.
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah and Tamar were the father and mother of Perez and Zerah.
Perez was the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon.
5 Salmon and Rahab were the father and mother of Boaz.
Boaz and Ruth were the father and mother of Obed.
Obed was the father of Jesse,
6 Jesse the father of King David.
David and Uriah’s wife ⌞Bathsheba⌟ were the father and mother of Solomon.
7 Solomon was the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Joram,
Joram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah was the father of Jechoniah and his brothers.
They lived at the time when the people were exiled to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon,
Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Achim,
Achim the father of Eliud,
15 Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, who was the husband of Mary.
Mary was the mother of Jesus, who is called Christ.
The Family Line of Jesus Christ
1 This is the list of ancestors of Jesus Christ, descendant of David and Abraham.2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah and Tamar were the father and mother of Perez and Zerah.
Perez was the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon.
5 Salmon and Rahab were the father and mother of Boaz.
Boaz and Ruth were the father and mother of Obed.
Obed was the father of Jesse,
6 Jesse the father of King David.
David and Uriah’s wife ⌞Bathsheba⌟ were the father and mother of Solomon.
7 Solomon was the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Joram,
Joram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah was the father of Jechoniah and his brothers.
They lived at the time when the people were exiled to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon,
Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Achim,
Achim the father of Eliud,
15 Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, who was the husband of Mary.
Mary was the mother of Jesus, who is called Christ.
Jay
Member
Lawson sounds like a Hypocrite in his 12 min. rant.
Complete
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'For all have sinned,
and come short
of the glory of God;'
(Rom 3:23)
Am I glad that I am not a Pastor with a high profile in life, for when I fall I would fall into the hands of wolves, who want to tear me apart, limb from limb! This is what is being done to this man. God be merciful unto me a sinner.
and come short
of the glory of God;'
(Rom 3:23)
Am I glad that I am not a Pastor with a high profile in life, for when I fall I would fall into the hands of wolves, who want to tear me apart, limb from limb! This is what is being done to this man. God be merciful unto me a sinner.
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Clay
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Calvinism is a system of false teachings from the 1500’s. They believe in a distorted view of eternal security and a distorted view of predestination.
The Calvinist says Jesus only died for those who are going to believe and be saved. But the Bible says that Jesus died for the entire human race whether they get saved or not.
I John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Clay
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The guy from Faith on Fire in the last video talks about that. He mentioned the Pharisees putting a heavy load on people's shoulders that they couldn't carry. And how they thought they were chosen and needed to carry no load. They were above that. He gave a very good comparison.
civic
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Ditto he made some really good points
